You can set a key to toggle between them in keyboard commander. I use right option-g.
On Jun 10, 2015, at 5:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: Is there a quick way to do this, or will I have to do it each time back and forth within the Voiceover Utility. Chris. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barry Hadder <mailto:bhad...@gmail.com> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 6:09 PM > Subject: Re: Major frustrations and a big predicament > > Hi Chris, > > Just switch to groups mode and it will work with voiceover. The rest of the > form works fine with dom navigation. > > On Jun 10, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com > <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > So, guys, I never like writing e-mails like this, and I know some of you are > going to write me and scream at me for being over dramatic, or for waisting > your time etc. Most of you on this list who're civil have seen the patterns, > therefore I don't think it's either necessary nor appropriate for me to quote > names, as you all probably know the folks I'm referring to. > > Here is the situation though. I'm obviously going to keep this fairly > general, but I have to at least be detailed enough for you all to understand > where I'm coming from, so though this may be borderline, I don't think it's > quite at the point of violating anything. > > So, this morning, I installed the beta of I O S 9 on my IPhone 5S. I'm not > at liberty to state the specifics, but I found a bug which is quite severe > and could really effect accessibility in one aspect. Though it's not > anything that would render the device useless, it definitely is severe enough > it needs to be fixed. Again, I'm not at a position to elaborate on this, but > my point is, I logged into the Apple developer web site, and proceeded to the > bug reporter. I should add that I tried this both with Capitan and with > Yosemite. Both have the same results. Once I clicked the button for a new > bug report, it popped up asking what type of bug I'm filing. Under the > "Other" heading, I chose accessibility. This opened up a window to create a > new accessibility report. I hit vo+Right arrow, and got down to > classification. Once I hit vo+space on the item that says select > classification clickable, nothing at all happened. Absolutely nothing. So, > I cannot accessibly continue the process, as at this point, I get totally > stuck. I tried routing my mouse pointer with vo+command+F5, then > vo+shift+space, I tried hitting spacebar, return, clicking the literal > trackpad, interacting, vo+shift+M, ctrl+clicking the trackpad, absolutely > nothing! is working. I tried with Safari, and with Chrome both on Yosemite, > and on Capitan with the same results. > > I tried on Windows with Windows 8.1 in both IE 11, and in Firefox. Both were > tested with JAWS 16, and with NVDA 2015.2. Once I clicked the new button for > a new report, I tried hitting enter on the accessibility button, and > absolutely nothing happened. In JAWS, I did an insert+escape to refresh the > screen, no good. I re-initialized Aria, just in case that was what it was > using, no good. I tried routing my jaws cursor to my virtual PC cursor then > clicking. No good. In NVDA, I routed my mouse pointer with NVDA+numpad > slash, then left clicked with num pad slash. No good. I even tried with > Window-Eyes, routing the mouse with insert+num pad plus, then doing a left > click. Again, no good. Nothing happened. > > When I called Apple developer support to let them know about this, and that > the accessibility of the bug tracker was broken, they didn't exactly blow me > off, but they didn't seem really all that concerned either. They basically > told me they'd file it with > > apple.com/feedback <http://apple.com/feedback> > > When I told them that I don't know how long that would take but it probably > wouldn't get solved very soon that method, most likely, the guy got a little > bit defensive with me. He told me that in his words, they don't support the > Bug tracker in his department, therefore he doesn't have a way to open a > ticket with the engineers to get this fixed. > > When I told him that I just spent the very last 99 dollars I had for this > program, he got snovvy and said, then you better start developing your apps > so you can get paid back. I told him I don't program, I don't write > applications. The reason I joined was to report bugs, and help them with > making sure things were accessible. I told him if I can't do that and report > bugs in the first place, then what is the point therefore of me being a dev. > I told him I'd paid 99 dollars for this, and therefore feel it's my right to > be able to have this looked into quickly, or to get a refund. He told me > unfortunately, he doesn't have the tools to push the feedback up to the bug > reporter engineers. That might be true, I don't know if it is or not, but if > it is, then, that's frankly, ridiculous! Especially considerring he was a > senior advisor in the developer department. > > When I asked him for a refund, he told me that their policy is no refunds no > matter what. He said, plus, even if they did! refund me, they've changed the > way they deploy I O S 9 to devices. Technically, I'm not probably supposed > to tell you all this, but I feel it's in you all's best interest to know, so > you don't totally ruin your devices. If you upgrade to I O S 9, it even says > right there on the web site, you cannot downgrade back to I O S 8. Not even > apparently with D F U mode. So, if I did! get a refund, and they disabled my > dev account, that would unenroll my devices, therefore renderring them > forever permanently useless unless they were re-enrolled, which there policy > is, I couldn't do for 12 months after disabling them. > > Frankly, Apple needs to get their shit together. That's all I'm gonna say. > You may not like hearing it, but this has me a little disturbed. If we blind > people can't report bugs, then how the hell do they expect us to help them > with that side of things? > > Chris. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries > <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > Barry Hadder > bhad...@gmail.com <mailto:bhad...@gmail.com> > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries > <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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