OK, so after I clicked the new button, I switched to group mode instead of dom.
I can't find however where to interact to choose the classification after I
click on accessibility.
Group mode makes things so cluttered, can you give me some steps as to what on
the page to look for, and when at what point I need to toggle to group mode?
Maybe I'm doing this slightly wrong.
You're welcome to help me with this off list if you fear we're break NDA going
on list about this.
clgillan...@gmail.com
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Hadder
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Major frustrations and a big predicament
You can set a key to toggle between them in keyboard commander. I use right
option-g.
On Jun 10, 2015, at 5:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Is there a quick way to do this, or will I have to do it each time back and
forth within the Voiceover Utility.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Hadder
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Major frustrations and a big predicament
Hi Chris,
Just switch to groups mode and it will work with voiceover. The rest of
the form works fine with dom navigation.
On Jun 10, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
So, guys, I never like writing e-mails like this, and I know some of you
are going to write me and scream at me for being over dramatic, or for waisting
your time etc. Most of you on this list who're civil have seen the patterns,
therefore I don't think it's either necessary nor appropriate for me to quote
names, as you all probably know the folks I'm referring to.
Here is the situation though. I'm obviously going to keep this fairly
general, but I have to at least be detailed enough for you all to understand
where I'm coming from, so though this may be borderline, I don't think it's
quite at the point of violating anything.
So, this morning, I installed the beta of I O S 9 on my IPhone 5S. I'm not
at liberty to state the specifics, but I found a bug which is quite severe and
could really effect accessibility in one aspect. Though it's not anything that
would render the device useless, it definitely is severe enough it needs to be
fixed. Again, I'm not at a position to elaborate on this, but my point is, I
logged into the Apple developer web site, and proceeded to the bug reporter. I
should add that I tried this both with Capitan and with Yosemite. Both have
the same results. Once I clicked the button for a new bug report, it popped up
asking what type of bug I'm filing. Under the "Other" heading, I chose
accessibility. This opened up a window to create a new accessibility report.
I hit vo+Right arrow, and got down to classification. Once I hit vo+space on
the item that says select classification clickable, nothing at all happened.
Absolutely nothing. So, I cannot accessibly continue the process, as at this
point, I get totally stuck. I tried routing my mouse pointer with
vo+command+F5, then vo+shift+space, I tried hitting spacebar, return, clicking
the literal trackpad, interacting, vo+shift+M, ctrl+clicking the trackpad,
absolutely nothing! is working. I tried with Safari, and with Chrome both on
Yosemite, and on Capitan with the same results.
I tried on Windows with Windows 8.1 in both IE 11, and in Firefox. Both
were tested with JAWS 16, and with NVDA 2015.2. Once I clicked the new button
for a new report, I tried hitting enter on the accessibility button, and
absolutely nothing happened. In JAWS, I did an insert+escape to refresh the
screen, no good. I re-initialized Aria, just in case that was what it was
using, no good. I tried routing my jaws cursor to my virtual PC cursor then
clicking. No good. In NVDA, I routed my mouse pointer with NVDA+numpad slash,
then left clicked with num pad slash. No good. I even tried with Window-Eyes,
routing the mouse with insert+num pad plus, then doing a left click. Again, no
good. Nothing happened.
When I called Apple developer support to let them know about this, and that
the accessibility of the bug tracker was broken, they didn't exactly blow me
off, but they didn't seem really all that concerned either. They basically
told me they'd file it with
apple.com/feedback
When I told them that I don't know how long that would take but it probably
wouldn't get solved very soon that method, most likely, the guy got a little
bit defensive with me. He told me that in his words, they don't support the
Bug tracker in his department, therefore he doesn't have a way to open a ticket
with the engineers to get this fixed.
When I told him that I just spent the very last 99 dollars I had for this
program, he got snovvy and said, then you better start developing your apps so
you can get paid back. I told him I don't program, I don't write applications.
The reason I joined was to report bugs, and help them with making sure things
were accessible. I told him if I can't do that and report bugs in the first
place, then what is the point therefore of me being a dev. I told him I'd paid
99 dollars for this, and therefore feel it's my right to be able to have this
looked into quickly, or to get a refund. He told me unfortunately, he doesn't
have the tools to push the feedback up to the bug reporter engineers. That
might be true, I don't know if it is or not, but if it is, then, that's
frankly, ridiculous! Especially considerring he was a senior advisor in the
developer department.
When I asked him for a refund, he told me that their policy is no refunds
no matter what. He said, plus, even if they did! refund me, they've changed
the way they deploy I O S 9 to devices. Technically, I'm not probably supposed
to tell you all this, but I feel it's in you all's best interest to know, so
you don't totally ruin your devices. If you upgrade to I O S 9, it even says
right there on the web site, you cannot downgrade back to I O S 8. Not even
apparently with D F U mode. So, if I did! get a refund, and they disabled my
dev account, that would unenroll my devices, therefore renderring them forever
permanently useless unless they were re-enrolled, which there policy is, I
couldn't do for 12 months after disabling them.
Frankly, Apple needs to get their shit together. That's all I'm gonna say.
You may not like hearing it, but this has me a little disturbed. If we blind
people can't report bugs, then how the hell do they expect us to help them with
that side of things?
Chris.
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