Hi, You can assign a shortcut key combination to switch between DOM and group navigation in keyboard commander in VoiceOver utility. > On 10 Jun 2015, at 23:17, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Is there a quick way to do this, or will I have to do it each time back and > forth within the Voiceover Utility. > > Chris. > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Barry Hadder <mailto:bhad...@gmail.com> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 6:09 PM >> Subject: Re: Major frustrations and a big predicament >> >> Hi Chris, >> >> Just switch to groups mode and it will work with voiceover. The rest of the >> form works fine with dom navigation. >> >> On Jun 10, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com >> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> So, guys, I never like writing e-mails like this, and I know some of you are >> going to write me and scream at me for being over dramatic, or for waisting >> your time etc. Most of you on this list who're civil have seen the >> patterns, therefore I don't think it's either necessary nor appropriate for >> me to quote names, as you all probably know the folks I'm referring to. >> >> Here is the situation though. I'm obviously going to keep this fairly >> general, but I have to at least be detailed enough for you all to understand >> where I'm coming from, so though this may be borderline, I don't think it's >> quite at the point of violating anything. >> >> So, this morning, I installed the beta of I O S 9 on my IPhone 5S. I'm not >> at liberty to state the specifics, but I found a bug which is quite severe >> and could really effect accessibility in one aspect. Though it's not >> anything that would render the device useless, it definitely is severe >> enough it needs to be fixed. Again, I'm not at a position to elaborate on >> this, but my point is, I logged into the Apple developer web site, and >> proceeded to the bug reporter. I should add that I tried this both with >> Capitan and with Yosemite. Both have the same results. Once I clicked the >> button for a new bug report, it popped up asking what type of bug I'm >> filing. Under the "Other" heading, I chose accessibility. This opened up a >> window to create a new accessibility report. I hit vo+Right arrow, and got >> down to classification. Once I hit vo+space on the item that says select >> classification clickable, nothing at all happened. Absolutely nothing. So, >> I cannot accessibly continue the process, as at this point, I get totally >> stuck. I tried routing my mouse pointer with vo+command+F5, then >> vo+shift+space, I tried hitting spacebar, return, clicking the literal >> trackpad, interacting, vo+shift+M, ctrl+clicking the trackpad, absolutely >> nothing! is working. I tried with Safari, and with Chrome both on Yosemite, >> and on Capitan with the same results. >> >> I tried on Windows with Windows 8.1 in both IE 11, and in Firefox. Both >> were tested with JAWS 16, and with NVDA 2015.2. Once I clicked the new >> button for a new report, I tried hitting enter on the accessibility button, >> and absolutely nothing happened. In JAWS, I did an insert+escape to refresh >> the screen, no good. I re-initialized Aria, just in case that was what it >> was using, no good. I tried routing my jaws cursor to my virtual PC cursor >> then clicking. No good. In NVDA, I routed my mouse pointer with >> NVDA+numpad slash, then left clicked with num pad slash. No good. I even >> tried with Window-Eyes, routing the mouse with insert+num pad plus, then >> doing a left click. Again, no good. Nothing happened. >> >> When I called Apple developer support to let them know about this, and that >> the accessibility of the bug tracker was broken, they didn't exactly blow me >> off, but they didn't seem really all that concerned either. They basically >> told me they'd file it with >> >> apple.com/feedback <http://apple.com/feedback> >> >> When I told them that I don't know how long that would take but it probably >> wouldn't get solved very soon that method, most likely, the guy got a little >> bit defensive with me. He told me that in his words, they don't support the >> Bug tracker in his department, therefore he doesn't have a way to open a >> ticket with the engineers to get this fixed. >> >> When I told him that I just spent the very last 99 dollars I had for this >> program, he got snovvy and said, then you better start developing your apps >> so you can get paid back. I told him I don't program, I don't write >> applications. The reason I joined was to report bugs, and help them with >> making sure things were accessible. I told him if I can't do that and >> report bugs in the first place, then what is the point therefore of me being >> a dev. I told him I'd paid 99 dollars for this, and therefore feel it's my >> right to be able to have this looked into quickly, or to get a refund. He >> told me unfortunately, he doesn't have the tools to push the feedback up to >> the bug reporter engineers. That might be true, I don't know if it is or >> not, but if it is, then, that's frankly, ridiculous! Especially >> considerring he was a senior advisor in the developer department. >> >> When I asked him for a refund, he told me that their policy is no refunds no >> matter what. He said, plus, even if they did! refund me, they've changed >> the way they deploy I O S 9 to devices. Technically, I'm not probably >> supposed to tell you all this, but I feel it's in you all's best interest to >> know, so you don't totally ruin your devices. If you upgrade to I O S 9, it >> even says right there on the web site, you cannot downgrade back to I O S 8. >> Not even apparently with D F U mode. So, if I did! get a refund, and they >> disabled my dev account, that would unenroll my devices, therefore >> renderring them forever permanently useless unless they were re-enrolled, >> which there policy is, I couldn't do for 12 months after disabling them. >> >> Frankly, Apple needs to get their shit together. That's all I'm gonna say. >> You may not like hearing it, but this has me a little disturbed. If we >> blind people can't report bugs, then how the hell do they expect us to help >> them with that side of things? >> >> Chris. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >> >> Barry Hadder >> bhad...@gmail.com <mailto:bhad...@gmail.com> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries > <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>.
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