Because we and Chris’s ISP is in a free country. We do not legislate speech here. Our founders created the first amendment to support freedom of expression and the press. They made this the first amendment because it was to them the most important freedom that needed to be codified. Hate speech is protected speech. Nazi’s marching in Illinois and all that. It’s been protected and the courts have upheld this protection for decades if not centuries now. There are no authorities to call. Carriers aren’t going to pull access unless a direct real threat was made or some sort of crime like publishing child pornography which is definitely not protected speech is committed. This is not the case in other countries but Chris is a US citizen and protected by the constitution.
Note this only applies to the carriers, especially carriers that receive government money and or have common carrier status etc. Mailing list moderators and such can do what they want and ban whom ever they wish because protected speech is only protected from government limitation rather than private individuals. Individuals can dictate what ever standards they wish on their own property of which a mailing list could be equated to their property. > On Aug 26, 2015, at 5:28 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: > > well, if this party has threatened or used hate speech, you report them to > the authorities. One does not well build a new house instead. > ..not that you were asking me of course smiles. > Why not report their conduct to the Internet provider? > > > On Thu, 27 Aug 2015, Yuma Decaux wrote: > >> Scott, >> >> What are you really ttryint to get to? Take the same home analogy, or let’s >> say the social club analogy. A majority is agreeing that this guy is >> detrimental. It’s been months like this and in recent dates taking a >> culminating effect of driving the discussion towards what to do with him, on >> and off list. Your words are also getting more radical, mentioning churches >> etc. Don’t you think its time to consider that maybe something does need to >> be done? >> >> >>> On 27/08/2015, at 2:40 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I think its funny how people like to push the responsibility on to someone >>> else instead of deal with it themselves. >>> >>> If you don’t want to invite someone in to your home then don’t. Nobody >>> forces you to read anything. >>> >>> These are the same busy bodies who want content pulled on TV because >>> someone said something they don’t like or it offends some arbitrary >>> religious value or another. >>> Oh I don’t like what he said in that song, ban it, moderate it, my view >>> is the right view so all others be damned. >>> >>> wow >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> For whatever it may be worth, I really think the best thing would be to >>>> have new moderators on this list, rather than fragmenting the community. I >>>> know that is not a new idea as several have mentioned the same idea. I >>>> also don't agree with the wild West approach. I'm sorry. But when you send >>>> email to a list of several hundred people, you are coming into their >>>> homes. And you did not have a right to abuse that privilege. Nor should >>>> several hundred people be expected to write filtersbecause of one or two >>>> outliers who make itunpleasant for everybody. If a list is said to be >>>> moderated, people who signed up for that list have a right to expect that >>>> the rules will be followed and that those who do not follow them >>>> consistently will be taken off the list. If you like unmoderated lists, >>>> start one, or, if you want to check one out, go check out the eyes >>>> freelist. The last time I was on there, which was admittedly many months >>>> ago, it was horrible. I'm not arguing for one strike and you're out or >>>> heavy-handed moderation. But when it becomes clear overtime that a few >>>> people simply cannot follow simple guidelines, then a moderator needs to >>>> take action, or a new moderator needs to be found. So, I guess I'm joining >>>> my voice with the chorus of those who say that in the best of all worlds, >>>> this list would remain but would have an active moderator who did his or >>>> her job. >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 4:56 AM, Littlefield, Tyler <ty...@tysdomain.com >>>>> <mailto:ty...@tysdomain.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>> >>>>> Hello Scott, >>>>> There's a vast difference in overly moderating and moderating of those >>>>> who make the community unpleasant for others. For example, should >>>>> someone receive an email cursing at them (which happens here pretty >>>>> frequently), the problem gets solved with a moderation. Should it >>>>> continue, said individual is removed from the community. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not proposing that overly prolicing makes a difference, just that >>>>> it's possible with an active list owner to create a community >>>>> conducive to a place where people can ask questions and provide help, >>>>> etc. Can you imagine how much cleaner our inboxes would be (I myself >>>>> am somewhat at fault here, as I've said) if we were to mostly >>>>> elimenate all the side bickering? >>>>> On 8/26/2015 7:46 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >>>>>> I’m not sure moderation = good community. That’s like saying >>>>>> policing = a good community and I’d dare say the folks of Ferguson >>>>>> or South Carolina would disagree with that assertion.;) >>>>>> >>>>>> You bring up a good point I’m just wondering is the tightening of >>>>>> the rules going to necessarily translate in to better content. It >>>>>> might but it’s hard to get enough people to switch and keep the >>>>>> same value when there’s already a critical mass of people here. >>>>>> >>>>>> Good luck though, as one of my favorite talk radio hosts used to >>>>>> say before he passed away “that’s why they make chocolate and >>>>>> vanilla” something for the different viewpoints. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Littlefield, Tyler >>>>>>> <ty...@tysdomain.com <mailto:ty...@tysdomain.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> Hello: A lot of people have had numerous problems on this list. >>>>>> >>>>>> My last response on this list was cursed at and nothing is being >>>>>> done to stop it. As a result of the spam/cursing/general throwing >>>>>> of fits, I created a new list where rules can be enforced and we >>>>>> can have a good community. 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