They should really hire a blind software engineer. I think that's about the 
only way we'll get any progress.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:20 AM, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey guy,
> 
> Thanks so much for pointing out this is why it is great to wait to the next 
> version of an operating system comes out. Wow, what a original novice concept 
> that has never ever been pointed out on this list. 
> 
> Ok, now that that is out of the way. I want to thank everyone who has posted 
> about their issues with safari in El Capitan the IOS 8 for VO users on the 
> mac. Holy cow, Apple what a crap operating system. Thankfully I will be 
> rolling back this weekend. Just need to do some more backups. Seriously, I 
> love Apple, but you got to call them out when they shit the bed and El 
> Capitan is just that. Apple claimed IOS 9 and El Capitan were going to be 
> focused on Quality Control instead of fancy new things. Well, how can Apple 
> expect any VO user that they seriously test VO when safari on a lot of 
> websites is absolutely unusable. It is great that VO seems to be much 
> snappier but with it constantly crashing and turning on and off it is 
> unusable, and I am finding the same issue in chrome on the same websites so 
> it is definitely VO.
> 
> Another issue which I have not seen posted is how VO just does not read 
> things. For example go through your contact list in contacts and you will 
> constantly have to go back up to a previous contact and then back down again 
> to get VO to read it. These two issues alone are so severe that Apple should 
> fire anyone doing Quality Control for VO or they just do not care about the 
> quality of it. Very disappointed in Apple again.
>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 10:30 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>> 
>> This is why it’s always best to wait until at least the first, and sometimes 
>> the second major update before installing a new version of the operating 
>> system, let the major bugs get worked out first.
>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:42 PM, Sadam Ahmed <sadam.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is why I have Rolled back  to Yosemite. 
>>> 
>>> These are some of the worst bugs I've seen since I started using the Mac 
>>> back in 2010. 
>>> 
>>> Won't be updating until a  update comes out to address these problems. 
>>> 
>>> Yours truly, 
>>> 
>>> Sadam Ahmed 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 16 Oct 2015, at 9:16 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Is that with the official build, or is that with the private beta?  I 
>>>> confess I really haven't tried doing anything with Safari over there since 
>>>> I finally got successfully updated.  How are people getting around this 
>>>> being that surfing the web is so heavily done now adays with computers?  
>>>> Are folks just using Crome instead?  What about Webkit?  Is it any better?
>>>> 
>>>> Chris.
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Miller" <miller...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 6:12 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Safari on 10.11 is pretty pathetic right now. It’s the worst experience 
>>>> I’ve ever had while using OS X.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just been using Safari as I went to the online RNIB library catalogue. 
>>>>> Safari is terrible on that website and I wonder if Safari is broken?  
>>>>> Once I sign in and browse for books either in braille or for Talking 
>>>>> books, Safari won’t read the search results as it keeps saying dialogue.  
>>>>> Also I am going to try out Overdrive again in due course so I hope it’s 
>>>>> been fixed with IOS9 as I had problems with it when I tried it on the I 
>>>>> phone 6 Plus.  Now I am using the 6 Plus S wonder if it will improve.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I wish I could get rid of the favourites bar in safari and get it back to 
>>>>> how it was when I was using it in Yosemite.  I apologise if I have 
>>>>> misspelt the name wrong again but I try to spell it wright.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kawal.
>>>>> 
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