Just a followup, i would never ever ever go back to windows, i’ll follow the mac into the grave and beyond and still be loyal and thankful. /Krister
> 17 okt. 2015 kl. 10:11 skrev Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com>: > > I don’t know if it’s just me or if my stupidity is once again showing its > face, but i’m having no problems at all whatsoever with Safari. I think El > Cap is the best Os version in a long while, something for which i’ll probably > be called names. Furthermore i’m very loyal and thankful to Apple for what > they actually have done for us and so i don’t complain. > /Krister > >> 16 okt. 2015 kl. 18:33 skrev Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com>: >> >> Jaws is not the only game in town for windows. There is nvda, which is quite >> respectable these days. The argument that you get a freebie with a Mac and >> Windows screen readers are expensive just doesn't cut it anymore, especially >> with Apple producing but here releases of OS X when they are supposed to be >> "rock solid". I bought my first mac went snow leopard was the current >> version of OS X. It was pretty solid. Since then, there certainly have been >> improvements in voiceover features. I still believe it is clear that Apple >> has made for more of a commitment to accessibility then has Microsoft. After >> all, the new edge browser is totally inaccessible to all but the >> experimental support with the latest build of NVDA. However, Apple is quite >> open about this commitment, therefore, they have set themselves a higher >> standard. And they are not meeting it with this new release. When they >> release a product with serious voiceover issues, they are sending a message >> that their commitment to accessibility is not quite up to the standard of >> their commitment to those who do not need accessibility features. Is that >> really what they want to do? >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 9:18 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote: >>> >>> The only problem is that Jaws costs a lot of money and Voice Over comes >>> with the Mac and has no ILM life. I have thought about getting a small >>> windows lap top but haven't done anything about it as yet. I do wish there >>> was better Braille sufport on the Mac. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On 16 Oct 2015, at 4:46 p.m., Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> They should really hire a blind software engineer. I think that's about >>>> the only way we'll get any progress. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:20 AM, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey guy, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks so much for pointing out this is why it is great to wait to the >>>>> next version of an operating system comes out. Wow, what a original >>>>> novice concept that has never ever been pointed out on this list. >>>>> >>>>> Ok, now that that is out of the way. I want to thank everyone who has >>>>> posted about their issues with safari in El Capitan the IOS 8 for VO >>>>> users on the mac. Holy cow, Apple what a crap operating system. >>>>> Thankfully I will be rolling back this weekend. Just need to do some more >>>>> backups. Seriously, I love Apple, but you got to call them out when they >>>>> shit the bed and El Capitan is just that. Apple claimed IOS 9 and El >>>>> Capitan were going to be focused on Quality Control instead of fancy new >>>>> things. Well, how can Apple expect any VO user that they seriously test >>>>> VO when safari on a lot of websites is absolutely unusable. It is great >>>>> that VO seems to be much snappier but with it constantly crashing and >>>>> turning on and off it is unusable, and I am finding the same issue in >>>>> chrome on the same websites so it is definitely VO. >>>>> >>>>> Another issue which I have not seen posted is how VO just does not read >>>>> things. For example go through your contact list in contacts and you will >>>>> constantly have to go back up to a previous contact and then back down >>>>> again to get VO to read it. These two issues alone are so severe that >>>>> Apple should fire anyone doing Quality Control for VO or they just do not >>>>> care about the quality of it. Very disappointed in Apple again. >>>>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 10:30 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> This is why it’s always best to wait until at least the first, and >>>>>> sometimes the second major update before installing a new version of the >>>>>> operating system, let the major bugs get worked out first. >>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:42 PM, Sadam Ahmed <sadam.li...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is why I have Rolled back to Yosemite. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> These are some of the worst bugs I've seen since I started using the >>>>>>> Mac back in 2010. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Won't be updating until a update comes out to address these problems. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yours truly, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sadam Ahmed >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 16 Oct 2015, at 9:16 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >>>>>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is that with the official build, or is that with the private beta? I >>>>>>>> confess I really haven't tried doing anything with Safari over there >>>>>>>> since I finally got successfully updated. How are people getting >>>>>>>> around this being that surfing the web is so heavily done now adays >>>>>>>> with computers? Are folks just using Crome instead? What about >>>>>>>> Webkit? Is it any better? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Miller" >>>>>>>> <miller...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 6:12 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Safari on 10.11 is pretty pathetic right now. It’s the worst >>>>>>>> experience I’ve ever had while using OS X. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just been using Safari as I went to the online RNIB library >>>>>>>>> catalogue. Safari is terrible on that website and I wonder if Safari >>>>>>>>> is broken? Once I sign in and browse for books either in braille or >>>>>>>>> for Talking books, Safari won’t read the search results as it keeps >>>>>>>>> saying dialogue. Also I am going to try out Overdrive again in due >>>>>>>>> course so I hope it’s been fixed with IOS9 as I had problems with it >>>>>>>>> when I tried it on the I phone 6 Plus. Now I am using the 6 Plus S >>>>>>>>> wonder if it will improve. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I wish I could get rid of the favourites bar in safari and get it >>>>>>>>> back to how it was when I was using it in Yosemite. 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