I don’t know if it’s just me or if my stupidity is once again showing its face, but i’m having no problems at all whatsoever with Safari. I think El Cap is the best Os version in a long while, something for which i’ll probably be called names. Furthermore i’m very loyal and thankful to Apple for what they actually have done for us and so i don’t complain. /Krister
> 16 okt. 2015 kl. 18:33 skrev Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com>: > > Jaws is not the only game in town for windows. There is nvda, which is quite > respectable these days. The argument that you get a freebie with a Mac and > Windows screen readers are expensive just doesn't cut it anymore, especially > with Apple producing but here releases of OS X when they are supposed to be > "rock solid". I bought my first mac went snow leopard was the current version > of OS X. It was pretty solid. Since then, there certainly have been > improvements in voiceover features. I still believe it is clear that Apple > has made for more of a commitment to accessibility then has Microsoft. After > all, the new edge browser is totally inaccessible to all but the experimental > support with the latest build of NVDA. However, Apple is quite open about > this commitment, therefore, they have set themselves a higher standard. And > they are not meeting it with this new release. When they release a product > with serious voiceover issues, they are sending a message that their > commitment to accessibility is not quite up to the standard of their > commitment to those who do not need accessibility features. Is that really > what they want to do? > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 16, 2015, at 9:18 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote: >> >> The only problem is that Jaws costs a lot of money and Voice Over comes with >> the Mac and has no ILM life. I have thought about getting a small windows >> lap top but haven't done anything about it as yet. I do wish there was >> better Braille sufport on the Mac. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 16 Oct 2015, at 4:46 p.m., Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote: >>> >>> They should really hire a blind software engineer. I think that's about the >>> only way we'll get any progress. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:20 AM, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey guy, >>>> >>>> Thanks so much for pointing out this is why it is great to wait to the >>>> next version of an operating system comes out. Wow, what a original novice >>>> concept that has never ever been pointed out on this list. >>>> >>>> Ok, now that that is out of the way. I want to thank everyone who has >>>> posted about their issues with safari in El Capitan the IOS 8 for VO users >>>> on the mac. Holy cow, Apple what a crap operating system. Thankfully I >>>> will be rolling back this weekend. Just need to do some more backups. >>>> Seriously, I love Apple, but you got to call them out when they shit the >>>> bed and El Capitan is just that. Apple claimed IOS 9 and El Capitan were >>>> going to be focused on Quality Control instead of fancy new things. Well, >>>> how can Apple expect any VO user that they seriously test VO when safari >>>> on a lot of websites is absolutely unusable. It is great that VO seems to >>>> be much snappier but with it constantly crashing and turning on and off it >>>> is unusable, and I am finding the same issue in chrome on the same >>>> websites so it is definitely VO. >>>> >>>> Another issue which I have not seen posted is how VO just does not read >>>> things. For example go through your contact list in contacts and you will >>>> constantly have to go back up to a previous contact and then back down >>>> again to get VO to read it. These two issues alone are so severe that >>>> Apple should fire anyone doing Quality Control for VO or they just do not >>>> care about the quality of it. Very disappointed in Apple again. >>>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 10:30 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This is why it’s always best to wait until at least the first, and >>>>> sometimes the second major update before installing a new version of the >>>>> operating system, let the major bugs get worked out first. >>>>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:42 PM, Sadam Ahmed <sadam.li...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> This is why I have Rolled back to Yosemite. >>>>>> >>>>>> These are some of the worst bugs I've seen since I started using the Mac >>>>>> back in 2010. >>>>>> >>>>>> Won't be updating until a update comes out to address these problems. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yours truly, >>>>>> >>>>>> Sadam Ahmed >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16 Oct 2015, at 9:16 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >>>>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is that with the official build, or is that with the private beta? I >>>>>>> confess I really haven't tried doing anything with Safari over there >>>>>>> since I finally got successfully updated. How are people getting >>>>>>> around this being that surfing the web is so heavily done now adays >>>>>>> with computers? Are folks just using Crome instead? What about >>>>>>> Webkit? Is it any better? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Miller" <miller...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 6:12 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Safari on 10.11 is pretty pathetic right now. It’s the worst experience >>>>>>> I’ve ever had while using OS X. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just been using Safari as I went to the online RNIB library catalogue. >>>>>>>> Safari is terrible on that website and I wonder if Safari is broken? >>>>>>>> Once I sign in and browse for books either in braille or for Talking >>>>>>>> books, Safari won’t read the search results as it keeps saying >>>>>>>> dialogue. Also I am going to try out Overdrive again in due course so >>>>>>>> I hope it’s been fixed with IOS9 as I had problems with it when I >>>>>>>> tried it on the I phone 6 Plus. Now I am using the 6 Plus S wonder if >>>>>>>> it will improve. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wish I could get rid of the favourites bar in safari and get it back >>>>>>>> to how it was when I was using it in Yosemite. I apologise if I have >>>>>>>> misspelt the name wrong again but I try to spell it wright. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kawal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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