Oh I disagree somewhat.  At least he’s not a criminal.

That’s not saying much but it’s something.

And DT won’t move in to the white house, that’s to much of a step down.  His 
house in West Palm is so much nicer. Not to mention his 747 is much nicer than 
airforce 1.  No he won’t need public housing assistance.:)


On 6/24/16, 5:43 PM, "E.T." <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of 
ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

    If DT should have the luck to move into the White House "God Bless 
America" will be changed to oh I cannot say it on a public list.

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   Are We Alone in the Universe?
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On 6/24/2016 2:34 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> Don’t forget, if Donald Trump gets elected, how will the world handle
> that as thus far he has not had a good press!
>> On 24 Jun 2016, at 22:26, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com
>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hey you skirt wearing crazy man, we live here to.
>> What about New Zealand, I’m hert by that,
>>
>> Just because no one knows we’re down here doesn’t mean we don’t exist.
>>
>> Hmmmp. Off I go in a huff!
>>
>> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>>  *On
>> Behalf Of *Andy
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 25 June 2016 5:36 AM
>> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: Brexit, wishing our friends across the pond well
>>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> I'm Scottish and a proud European and a proud member of this and other
>> lists , concerned with the blind community , which include all of my
>> friends in Britain America, Canada and Australia.
>> Can I please assure you all that Scotland did not vote last night to
>> leave Europe!
>>
>> In Scotland we have 32 Local Authorities and each returned a vote to
>> remain with in Europe.  That's Leave 0 votes, Remain 32 votes, to keep
>> things as they are, which represents 62 % of our voting community, so
>> pleas, to my American friends, don't be Trumpted with this rubbish,
>> the result was a vicctory for my little country..
>>
>> However, little Scotland is only  a quarter of the UK and it seems
>> that almost every one else voted to leave.
>>
>> I'm a proud Scot, a British resident and until yesterday, a equally
>> proud Euro pean.
>>
>> Today, Well I’m gutted.  I'm no longer considered, against my will,
>> to be European as I've been dragged out of this relationship by my
>> English naibours and I find myself Scottish and Brittish only once
>> more..
>>
>> To be honest because of the treachery from Westminster, I've turned my
>> back on Brittan and declare that I'm Scottish and only Scottish and
>> proud of it and have lifted the flag for Independence again.  I intend
>> to volunteer to work voluntary with the Scottish National Party and
>> intend to work flat out to help us make our country remain as a part
>> of Europe, and continue to welcome all workers and visitors from all
>> over the world to make the Scottish Experience a reality for them, and
>> above all, an enlightened and valuable experience for them.
>>
>> Donald Trump has today, on the shores of Scotland expressed his
>> delight that the UK has voted to leave the EU.
>>
>> He's daft.  He expressed his feelings in a country that is devastated
>> with the result of last nights vote.
>>
>> Does he have no P. A. staff:
>>
>> Surely, before opening his big fat mouth "again" he would have checked
>> the beach to make sure there was a safe landing for him and his cronies.
>>
>> But this is Donald.  This is the future with Scotland forced into
>> turning her back on friends and collegues in Europ with Donald Trump
>> as the most powerful man in the world.
>>
>> As for me, I’m Scottish and like many of my American and Canaidian
>> friends, I’m very proud of my country and heritage and I'm sure you
>> will agree, that there is nothing wrong with that!
>> No matter the future, I will remain very much part of our very special
>> blind community and I’m proud of that also.
>>
>> So thanks guys and thanks for thinking of little Scotland at a time of
>> turmoile.
>>
>> We will always be friends in this small blind community of ours, and
>> that's a promise, so please fink of us in your thoughts tonight.  Our
>> special relationship goes back to the war of independanse and valuable
>> and not to be tossed aside by the likes of Trump!
>>
>>
>>
>> Very best wishes as always.
>>
>> Andy Logue from Kilcreggan Scotland.
>>
>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>     *From:* Kawal Gucukoglu <mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>
>>     *To:* Macvisionaries <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>     *Sent:* Friday, June 24, 2016 2:04 PM
>>     *Subject:* Re: Brexit, wishing our friends across the pond well
>>
>>     So today, I have very anxious feelings of what will be for Britain
>>     next?
>>
>>     Scotland wishes to leave and may be we get the reunification for
>>     Ireland so where does this leave the rest of the UK, England and
>>     Wales?
>>
>>     I just hope inflation and interest rates will not rise and present
>>     risks to our livelihoods.  I deplore British citizens saying that
>>     this vote was worth people losing their jobs.  I have been feeling
>>     very emotional and upset because of some selfish people in
>>     society.  I voted to remain like I said and on TV at the moment
>>     there are those who are still arguing as to what happens next and
>>     the rest of the EU saying that there will be consequences.  How
>>     can the world heal, come together and be more tolerant?  Then Mr
>>     Trump changing his tune to fit the circumstances.  American are
>>     also in some difficulty as the Democrats had a sitting in congress
>>     to get gun laws but the republicans say no so there is no unity in
>>     the world and at present I am worried about how things will pan
>>     out for the world.  Sorry this is pessimistic but I live for the
>>     long term and not the short.  I am a deep person and take
>>     seriously the world’s problems to heart.
>>
>>     Kawal.
>>
>>
>>         On 24 Jun 2016, at 13:05, CHUCK REICHEL
>>         <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com
>>         <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Hi Scott,
>>         Sorry to hear about your loss. :(
>>         As for England I also will raise a frosty mug of Sam adams and
>>         celebrate and wait till "november" here in the USA for the same!
>>         GOD Bless America!
>>         Home of Apple! :)
>>         Talk soon
>>         Chuck
>>
>>         On Jun 23, 2016, at 11:58 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>
>>
>>             Well I’ve been riveted watching this all day, I’m going on
>>             24 hours here, it’s also a welcome distraction to some
>>             really really bad stuff happening on my family level right
>>             now so forgive me if I use your country’s politics as a
>>             distraction.:)  My grandmother oddly enough who is the
>>             connection to Britain for me passed after 96 years on this
>>             rock and it’s all closing in on me now that I am only one
>>             of 3 left in our family and the other 2 are on the shorter
>>             end of their lives than longer so I’m feeling a bit
>>             freaked out and my numbers are dwindling down to 0 so if I
>>             get in the weeds you get it.
>>             To give you an idea why I feel such a connection with your
>>             country my family on my mother’s side came to this country
>>             fairly recently.  My grand mother and grand father came
>>             over to this country on boats I believe before world war 2
>>             and settled on the east coast as well as Detroit.  My
>>             great Grand father, mother’s grand father actually worked
>>             on your crown jewels.  I have jewelers drawings hand made
>>             by him used to create some of the items in your tower of
>>             London today.  I’ve frequently thought about giving them
>>             to one of your museums if you’d have them but I have no
>>             idea their value or if they represent any thing special to
>>             the British people or even what or who should have them.
>>              It’s this man’s daughter, my grand mother who passed this
>>             morning.  She taught me so much about your part of the
>>             world from your money to telling me stories about my
>>             cousins who I don’t know but sell fruit in fruit stands
>>             somewhere in London or another husband and wife relation
>>             of ours who I met once years ago and don’t know exactly
>>             how they fit but they own a sweater company in Scotland.
>>              I remember these people coming to visit us and my Grand
>>             Father who is from Whales loved taking them to sites
>>             around the north east US where we americans beat back the
>>             British during the Revolution.:)  He loved giving the
>>             English side of our family a real ribbing about the
>>             revolution when they would come to visit. In the same
>>             breath though, my grandfather served during World War II
>>             and I know always talked about the Brits he served proudly
>>             with.
>>             I say all this because I’m not the only one.  So many of
>>             us have such connections to your island.  So understand
>>             when you say all in together and all that, I consider very
>>             much we folks on both sides of the pond on the same team.
>>             BTW, BBC and ITV just called it in favor of leaving  I’m
>>             shocked but you’ve definitely made things interesting over
>>             here.  Your vaporizing my financial holdings as I watch
>>             this, thanks guys☺, but I’m in, I wish we could shake off
>>             our oppressive federal government like you all just did
>>             the EU.  The rebel in me feels a real connection to your
>>             side right now.  Not for racial reasons, not for fear of
>>             any group but for self determination, self rule, beating
>>             back the huge corporate and global interests that do not
>>             have your country’s best interest at heart.  I know the
>>             economic arguments made against you leaving and I say
>>             bunk.  You’re a strong country, you do not need the
>>             approval of brussels to get through your day.  The UK
>>             alone is a massive economy, thankfully you never wrapped
>>             your self in the Euro so your pound will carry on.  I will
>>             buy many of your pounds when they tank over the next few
>>             days because the fears are irrational and I will do well
>>             as will you all doubling down on yourselves.
>>             So folks in Florida or Texas, if you wish to break away
>>             from the union let me know, I’ll move down and join you.:)
>>              I feel like blasting dixie and blasting a few hundred
>>             rounds in the air in celebration of someone, finally,
>>             beating back the powers of globalization and
>>             centralization of regulation with out representation.  In
>>             stead so I don’t get labeled a racist or arrested for
>>             making to much noise or being armed in the US I will hoist
>>             a cold one in your country’s honor.
>>
>>
>>             To my Grand Mother Jean and to the fine people of Britain,
>>             stay or leave, way to go!  Nicely done and all that on all
>>             counts. I drink a Sam Adams beer from the Boston Brewing
>>             company in your honor.  The irony is not lost on me nor is
>>             it lost o nme that I’m siding with the tories.:)
>>
>>
>>             And the associated press just called it and someone is
>>             pounding on Borris Johnson’s door trying to wake him up.
>>              Great stuff!
>>
>>             CNBC just called it in favor of leave also.
>>
>>             Wow, I’m shocked!
>>
>>             On 6/23/16, 6:11 PM, "Sabahattin Gucukoglu"
>>             <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>             <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> on behalf
>>             oflistse...@me.com <mailto:listse...@me.com>> wrote:
>>
>>             Mmm, your president does seem to have quite a fascination
>>             with teats, doesn’t he? :)
>>
>>             Regardless, I imagine his comments did more to inflame the
>>             Brexiters than to encourage the Bremainers.  But, as it
>>             happens, I too hope to remain.  The worst part about it is
>>             that it’s based more or less purely on pragmatism rather
>>             than principle: the far-right government now in power will
>>             only use Brexit to lurch even further to the right,
>>             without our delightful, if meddlesome, friends in Brussels
>>             to prevent them by (undemocratically, it’s true) arriving
>>             at sensible and socially just policy decisions on the
>>             merits.  The hypothetical independent state of Britain, in
>>             a climate of establishment neoliberalism and
>>             first-past-the-post voting, seems distantly unlikely.  And
>>             as a believer in more EU unification in any event (Turkish
>>             parents), I can’t say I feel too bad about that.  Better
>>             together, and all that jazz. :)
>>
>>             Still, I do wonder what that hypothetical Britain, under
>>             the rule of a democratically elected liberal government,
>>             would look like.  It’d be cosy, but would it make me
>>             happy?  Initially, probably.  Maybe we could make it work
>>             at the negotiating tables where decisions are made.  But
>>             I’d feel bad for the other EU member states, and the
>>             project.  We’d be turning away everything it, and all of
>>             the men, women and children in its member states,
>>             represent.  My individualistic side says it makes no
>>             difference as long as I’m living in the exact same
>>             country; my squidgy insides say otherwise.  No, the EU
>>             isn’t a utopia, but by remaining, at least we can fix its
>>             faults, which is something a lot of Brexiters seem
>>             completely reluctant to take any interest in doing.  And
>>             maybe we can one day look forward to a truly united Europe.
>>
>>             So maybe it is about principle, after all. :)
>>
>>             Well, we shan’t have long to find out, at any rate.  About
>>             eight hours, in fact.
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