Simon, you want to look towards the unix tools for this type of thing.  the 
Open LDAP stuff along with SMB4 aught to be able to help here.  Aught to be 
able to edit LDAP Schema that way with the Open LDAP browser etc.  I try to 
stay away from this windows stuff but I’ve seen a lot recently for complete 
domain controller replacements with Linux and interaction with the databases 
etc.

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 6:59 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Sandy mark and others,
> 
> Yeah the mac is great for being able to run a bootcamp or dual boot system.
> 
> As a power user of the windows environment I need to have it with me where 
> ever I go, at least that is my reason for always having my notebook with me.
> 
>  But apple also now allow you through or with vm fusion to run mac os vms 
> which you can't do on a windows machine,
>  The mac os and voiceover allow for the same usage of the touch pad on a 
> notebook such as my mac book air to be used like I use my iPhone touch screan.
> 
>  What I am currently looking for though is an app for my mac book air on the 
> mac OSX side that will allow me to interact with an active directory domain 
> inferstructure  doing such things as group creation adding and  removing 
> users setting up and changing computers and possibly some work with Group 
> policies in some OU's for the organisation.
> 
> But at this point I appear to be pushing things a bit.
> 
> Does anyone know of any OSX apps that will allow this kind of access to a 
> domain inferstructure?
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandi Jazmin Kruse
> Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 7:10 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
> 
> hi, Mark, beautifully put. Joseph. my idea is make an evening , find out what 
> do people need, and take it from there.
> As Mark says though having both windows and mac is not a bad idea, i use 
> windows for scanning and reading if i need to read fast.
> For all of you who have a mac and have problems with them, write write write. 
> it is what the list is made for, and remember , the only stupid questions are 
> the once not asked.
> Sandi
> 
> On 7/7/16, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> Hello Arnold,
>> 
>> Like so many others, I have been following this thread.  Why?  
>> Because, you remind me a great deal of myself, at the outset of my Mac 
>> journey.  This is to say, even after owning an iPhone for some time, I 
>> found that learning how to use a Mac, via VoiceOver, extremely 
>> frustrating, at first--especially given my then expertise with Jaws for 
>> Windows.
>> 
>> There are many reasons why people explore new paths.  For some, they 
>> merely wish to broaden their horizons, for others, it is to prove to 
>> themselves that they can do it.  Still others explore new paths out of 
>> frustration with the status quo.  My point is that, why, one does 
>> something can, in many instances directly affect the outcome of the 
>> exploration, itself.
>> 
>> In my case, I was fervently motivated to learn how to use a Mac 
>> because I was completely disgusted with Microsoft after discovering 
>> that they deliberately removed the self-voicing installation feature 
>> that shipped with the first beta release of Windows 7.  I had a copy 
>> of that particular beta which, via Narrator, offered a flawlessly 
>> comprehensive installation experience for a totally blind user.  It 
>> never crossed my mind that they would pull that feature in subsequent 
>> beta releases which, as it turned out, they did.
>> 
>> I can still remember the rage I felt when one of the Microsoft talking 
>> heads, up in Redland, told me, via telephone, that they pulled the 
>> feature as a result of security concerns.  Even as I write this, 
>> reliving the experience in my mind, my blood begins to proverbially boil.
>> 
>> But I digress.
>> 
>> My point is that after that phone call, I went directly to my local 
>> Mac store and purchased my first MacBook Pro.  As you can imagine, my 
>> primary motivation for learning the Mac was because I was sick and 
>> tired of Microsoft restricting installation access to its blind and 
>> low vision users--especially given that they had proven that it could 
>> be done and that it could be done well.
>> 
>> Having said all of this, let me add that, despite the opinions of 
>> many, the Macintosh is not for everyone or not better in all situations.
>> 
>> Windows is a fine operating system and Jaws, Window Eyes, Zoomtext, 
>> etc are all marvelous accessibility tools.
>> 
>> Generally speaking, I think it's best to learn how to use both Windows 
>> and Mac OS.  Financial limitations notwithstanding, there is no need 
>> to choose one over the other.
>> 
>> I want to applaud your effort in exploring the Macintosh.  Do not be 
>> disappointed in yourself; you will learn what you need to know when 
>> you need to know it.  That's just the way the universe works, in my opinion.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
>> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 10:06 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>> 
>> I have been thinking about this for several days.  As one coming from 
>> Windows, having used windows since I got my windows 98 computer in 
>> 2000, learning to use the mac is like learning a whole new language.  
>> I know what I want to do, but how to do it is almost totally 
>> different.  Hey, control c copies something and control v pastes it, 
>> they have that in common.  But I have come up with the best reason yet 
>> for me to get some used equipment and learn to do it.  Even if I come 
>> to the conclusion that there really isn't a whole lot I can do, in all 
>> caps, BETTER on the mac than in windows, I learned to do it, and will 
>> be able to speak? mac as well as windows.  That is a pretty good 
>> reason to do it.  I admit, I probably wouldn't bother if I didn't have 
>> my iPhone, which apparently works a little better in Mac iTunes, than 
>> in windows iTunes.  We'll see, eventually. Now, if I just didn't have to 
>> work 40 hours a week, becoming proficient in mac would happen sooner.
>> This was one of my vacation weeks.
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 7:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>> 
>> 
>> I'm not Arnold so can't presume to answer for him, but I found myself 
>> in a similar situation several years ago when I bought a MacAir.
>> Despite multiple attempts to learn the new operating system, I found 
>> myself frustrated at nearly every turn. Now I've been an IT 
>> professional for thirty years, working all that time in the windows 
>> environment, still I found the learning curve extremely daunting.
>> 
>> I've read this thread with great interest and I think the many 
>> comments about total immersion while learning may have been the root 
>> of my own failure with the Mac. Because I became frustrated in my 
>> attempts to accomplish the simplest of tasks (like reading and 
>> answering email), I frequently switched back to windows to do what I 
>> needed to do. Consequently I lost whatever ground I had gained in the 
>> Mac universe.
>> 
>> This is my rather long way of saying that while installing bootcamp on 
>> a Mac may seem like no big deal to you (or anyone who is comfortable 
>> with the Mac), for me that task seems like a mountain the size of 
>> Everest. I suspect Arnold may feel the same.
>> 
>> Unlike Arnold I kept my Mac and still return to it from time to time.
>> I've been a devoted Apple user on the mobile platform for several 
>> years and there is something that brings me back to the Mac again and 
>> again. It may be just that I don't like to admit failure in the face 
>> of any technology. I don't really know. About the only method I 
>> haven't tried is one on one training. That may be my next (and 
>> possibly final) step.
>> 
>> Kimber
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> Hi arnld,
>>> 
>>> Just wondering why you didn’t keep it and put windows on it in bootcamp?
>>> 
>>> That would  give you vboth platforms and you can keep learnig on the 
>>> apple os.
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
>>> Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2016 8:37 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>>> 
>>> Arnold, if you ever get another one I would like to offer you some 
>>> free one-on-one support with assisting you with your Mac in your 
>>> tough struggles.
>>> My information that I would like you to have been say is below in my 
>>> signature. I had my Mac from most two years and I don't regret getting it.
>>> 
>>> I
>>> will say this, I can probably work a few more websites now that I 
>>> couldn't work with Jaws with my Mac or my iPho and this message is 
>>> not just for Arnold this is for anybody who has trouble with the Mac 
>>> still free to use interviews my information in my signature as well 
>>> as you wish.
>>> Joseph Hudson
>>> Email
>>> jhud7...@gmail.com<mailto:jhud7...@gmail.com>
>>> I device support
>>> Telephone
>>> 2543007667
>>> Skype
>>> joseph.hudson89 facebook
>>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>>> Twitter
>>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
>>> 
>>> FaceTime/iMessage
>>> jhud7...@yahoo.com<mailto:jhud7...@yahoo.com>
>>> 
>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 3:50 AM, Arnold Schmidt 
>>> <arno...@mindspring.com<mailto:arno...@mindspring.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wand to thank everyone for the help I have received over the past 
>>> two weeks, concerning my Mac Mini.  However, I ended up taking it 
>>> back after all yesterday, which was my last day to return it.
>>> 
>>> To attempt to make a long message not quite so long, I guess I just 
>>> wasn't getting it as much as I think I should have been.  Every time 
>>> I would turn it on, it seemed that I still was having to look up how 
>>> to do things that
>>> 
>>> I
>>> thought I had already learned, and it definitely was getting more 
>>> frustrating than fun, being that I could very easily do those things 
>>> in Windows, or on my iPhone.  And in the end, what was going to be 
>>> the real benefit to me?  ITunes allegedly easier to use, and being 
>>> able to install the OS myself.
>>> 
>>> Being that yesterday was going to be my last day, I started out 
>>> intending
>>> 
>>> to
>>> put in a lot of extra time with it, before the time for my 
>>> paratransit trip to return it arrived, which I still thought I was 
>>> going to cancel.  So, I decided to log into my bank web site, which I 
>>> had not attempted yet.  I successfully passed the first step in the 
>>> two-step verification, but then, no matter what I tried, I couldn't 
>>> get it to read the security question it wanted answered.  No problem 
>>> in Windows, or my iPhone, no go on this Mac mini.  I could tell  the 
>>> location for the answer field, I could find what should have been the 
>>> question field, it just wouldn't read anything.  I typed in the 
>>> answer to one of my security questions, which, of course, was the 
>>> wrong answer for the question it was asking.  I am sure the inability
>>> 
>>> to
>>> get it to read the security question was mine, not the Mac Mini's .  
>>> So, I closed Safari, then decided to turn on keyboard help, just to 
>>> try differing combinations of keys I had never tried before to see 
>>> what it would say.
>>> I
>>> was trying the function keys, and hit a key at the very right end of 
>>> them, and it just shut off.  Nothing I did would get VoiceOver 
>>> talking again.
>>> I
>>> tried the three-finger triple tap on the track pad,then the 
>>> three-finger double tap which is what it is on my iPhone,  turned the 
>>> track pad commander off and on, turned the whole computer off and 
>>> back on, nothing.  And this was my last day.
>>> 
>>> I wish I had had 30 days.  If I had had, I still don't think it would 
>>> have gone back.  But I didn't want to be one of those people who 
>>> never quite got it, but it was too late to take it back, and I had 
>>> over 900 dollars invested in the thing.  Even though it would have 
>>> put me lower in my checking account than I wanted to be, I should 
>>> have kept the Windows 10 Lenovo I bought from Costco, and the Mac 
>>> Mini, too, knowing one of them was going back.  I bought the Lenovo 
>>> first, after having talked myself out of buying a Mac, again.
>>> Sometime before Microsoft stops supporting Vista next spring, there 
>>> will be another good deal come through Costco.
>>> 
>>> I always had wanted to try a Mac, I am glad I did.  But it ended up 
>>> being
>>> 
>>> so
>>> much tedium and frustration to me, as compared to what I already 
>>> know, with not all that much seeming benefit in the end. I fully 
>>> expected not to know what I was doing for a while, but I thought it 
>>> would have begun to get easier by yesterday, which, I guess, it 
>>> wasn't, even with the two books I have.
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> 
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