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From: "gs" <geoffsli...@gmail.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming
Stand by what you want. The list reflects the results of the moderator's
involvement. Rather silly to post something like this. Whether you stand by
it or not, the results speak for themselves. There is no attack. simple
statements of facts.
On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
It is most unfair to attack someone who has given up his time to moderate
the list. Please bear in mind we all have lives and our lives do not evolve
around lists as you don't know what priorities that person might have.
Sorry but I won't stand by listening to someone saying that Mark does not
take his duties seriously on this list.
On 10 Nov 2016, at 22:32, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, I'm being very honest here. I don't have the time to do this. I
really value this list and know that even in the threads that I eventually
get to with 50 or more messages with the predominant subject of demented
political opinions, there might be a nugget of information that will mean
an increase in productivity or a keystroke or an update or a piece of
technical knowledge that will make a huge difference in the way I use an
Apple product.
In fact, I have found buried in the wordy, arrogant posts of some
individuals, some really priceless tips for accomplishing tasks that I
would have otherwise missed if I had not read the rest of the propaganda
in the thread.
Nevertheless, the owner/moderator has a responsibility that does not seem
to be fulfilled on this list at this point.
There are a boat load of mailing lists but I have decided to just create
one myself.
Send request to macwithvoiceover-requ...@freelists.org with subscribe in
the subject.
If it takes off that's fine. If it does not, that's fine too.
On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Joseph Hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well just say this much, when an issue arises, we are quick to stop it.
And as far as traffic, we just don't have a lot of traffic going on right
now. There are some days that are busier than others. and it's always very
relevant.
Joseph Hudson
Group administrator for the following
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On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:57 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
I like a lot of traffic if it is relevant. The problem here is list
management. Nobody seems to be dedicated enough to address the issues.
The owner shows up every six months with some sort of apology and then
cedes the running of the list to someone else who apparently doesn't get
it either. Just run the thing correctly. It's not too much to ask.
It's pathetic.
On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Joseph Hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com> wrote:
If you're looking for a group, the doesn't have stuff like this going on.
You can come to the group that is below in my signature. We don't have
junk like this going on. And not a lot of traffic either.
Joseph Hudson
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On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:50 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
I waste a considerable amount of my time reviewing this list each day
because it is a valuable resource to those who use VoiceOver on the Mac.
If you have the time to wade through the bull, do so. I don't.
On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl....@gmail.com> wrote:
Lighten up, Francis.
On 11/10/2016 03:45 PM, gs wrote:
Hmm. Well I have contributed because the thread is split. I'm sick of
it. This should have been addressed before and you need to remove
people instead of making a generic announcement such as the one below.
On Nov 10, 2016, at 2:12 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
Everyone,
This thread is now considered closed.
Do not send anymore on-list posts regarding this subject or contribute
to this thread.
Thank you,
Mark
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Global Warming
Well, first of all, Chuck, it's not my job to disprove every theory you
come up with. If you want to claim global warming might be caused by
volcanos, you prove it.
Secondly, I already indirectly answered the point you are making. All
successful climate models do indeed take volcanic activity into
account.
They couldn't be successful otherwise. If you insist, I can dig up
articles from scientific journals that show that certain climate models
have predicted climate changes to a degree that cannot be accounted for
by chance. These models also show that the amount of warming we have
experienced cannot be accounted for by volcanos and that it is indeed
due to the greenhouse gases we have emitted. Now, I am willing to dig
up that evidence if you insist. But, as a gentleman, I would hope you
don't make me look stuff up just on the hope that I won't bother. If
you really do doubt something I say, by all means challenge me to prove
it.
But please do not waste my time.
On 11/10/2016 12:28 PM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
Hi Todor,
Heres a "proverb" that applies here!
Figures don't lie, but liars figure!
Do you have statistics on the average carbon out put from a Volcano?
With out these stats plugged into the Global Warming model the
"theory" is flawed to begin with.
BTW a Theory is a unproven fact! :)
Unless you have that data how can you blame carbon on man caused
pollution?
FYI
I remember the "ice age is coming rap"
At least with the ice age coming they could keep their "cool aid" at
the proper temperature! ;) Scott is absolutely correct again!
Chuck
On Nov 10, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Todor Fassl wrote:
Here is the proof that global warming is being caused by human
activity:
Fact 1. We know absolutely that certain gasses in a planet's
atmosphere cause the planet to heat up. This can be explained through
the laws of physics and can be tested experimentally. This is called
the "Greenhouse Effect".
Fact 2. We know that humans have put an enormous amount of greenhouse
gas into our planet's atmosphere. This is carbon that has been locked
up in the earth's crust for millions of years. Here is a link to a
web page that lists the top oil producing countries. I am going to
say it adds up to more than a hundred million barrels of oil per day.
That's right -- a hundred million barrels per day. There are also
millions of tons of coal and natural gas being mined every day.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder
/2241rank.html
Fact 3. Many scientists from all over the world have calculated how
much effect the greenhouse gases we have emitted would have. Those
calculations, often called climate models, are proven to be accurate
because they can predict things like droughts and floods to a degree
that cannot be accounted for by chance. And these climate models
consistently show that we have indeed put enough greenhouse gas into
our atmosphere to cause the planet to heat up.
Now, those 3 facts taken together *prove* that global warming is
being caused by human activity. This stuff about volcanos is what is
called "fuzzy thinking". It's akin to a person defending themselves
in court by saying the police can't prove that the guy he shot didn't
just happen to drop dead from some other reason right before the
bullet hit him. It is not my job to disprove every lame idea a
skeptic might propose. The 3 facts I gave above prove that global
warming is being caused by humans. Where is the flaw?
On 11/10/2016 10:46 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
Hi Scott,
Your absolutely 100% correct again!
Heres just 1 thing that blows "climate change" formally known as
"global warming" out of the water!
How much carbon does a average volcano spew out in just 1 major
eruption?
Can anybody stop a volcano from erupting?
My Daughter who holds a "Ph.D. in Applied Physics: could shed some
more light on this but at this point the only thing that would keep
this on topic is that She uses a Mac book pro! LOL Talk soon Chuck
On Nov 10, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
Who boy we should move this over to the off topic list because I
could blow huge holes in your global warming position. Scientists
did infect fudge factor data and I can show you hard space weather
data that indicates similar warming trends on other planets.;)
That doesn’t mean I think we should be pumping crap in to the air
and sea but the global warming deal is just a scheme to enrich a
few. The next time Leonardo Decrapio tells me I need to use less
energy while he’s flying around in his Gulfstream G5-50 burning
more energy per hour than I do in my life I’ll smack him with a
trout.
On Nov 10, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Todor Fassl <fassl....@gmail.com>
wrote:
The USA has a long, disgraceful history of preventing minorities
from voting via poll tests. So I know making people prove they
know *something* before they vote is not practical. It would be
nice though. If you ever thought global warming was a hoax, you
shouldn't be allowed to vote. I don't mean if you ever hoped it
wasn't true. I mean if you ever believed scientists were
deliberately making it up, then you should never again be allowed
to vote. Well, maybe that is a bit harsh. You should have to prove
you have learned your lesson though.
On 11/10/2016 10:13 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
One thing I appreciate about countries like Australia is that
they recognize that those who choose not to participate in the
voting process hurt the country as a whole.
So, they did and I believe still do, require you to vote or pay a
fine.
The choice to be willfully ignorant is often not something that
a city, county or country can afford.
I respect that many might not have enjoyed the menu options, but
choosing to skip the democratic process is especially damaging
where, like stateside, it is more of an electoral college
election than a general public mandate anymore.
Speaking only for myself, it seems time to give voters a clear
incentive to educate themselves about those issues. fine want to
stay home enough to pay a fine for that right?
Kare
On Thu, 10 Nov 2016, Todor Fassl wrote:
But why? Why should people who know nothing about the issues
vote?
Just repeating your opinion that they should vote is no answer.
It's like saying you should get brain surgery even if you're not
sure you have something wrong with your brain. Just sign
yourself up for random medical treatments, who knows, some of
them might even help.
Instead of picking someone at random, if you haven't studied the
issues, you should STAY HOME!
repeating that they should vote is NO answer.
On 11/08/2016 05:19 PM, Robin wrote:
I Disagree
Voting is a Right & EveryOne should Vote No Matter What iff
Eligible At 02:26 PM 11/8/2016, you wrote:
I don't think people should vote just for the sake of voting.
That's how bad guys get elected -- ignorant voters put them in
office. If
you
havent studied the issues, please stay home.
On 11/08/2016 05:50 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
For our friends in the US,
Totally apolitical here and please please let’s keep
it that way. Get out there and vote today, do your civic
duty regardless of your party / candidate / beliefs just get
out and
have
your voice heard if you haven’t already.
Uber is offering a $20 credit for a trip to your
polling place, Lyft has a similar deal with up to $45 in
credits, and
Google
also has the means to arrange a ride for you and provide some
credits
to get to your closest polls. the parties are offering rides
and volunteer services as well.
Also, make sure you take advantage of the deals
available today to voters. Keep that “I voted†sticker
and Krispy >
Cream
will give you a free donut, McDonalds and Seven Eleven are
giving free coffee, and many small businesses are having
election day promotions that include discounts or out right
freebies.
Remember that many service men and women have fought
and
died
for your right to vote so let’s not let them down and make
sure > > we
take advantage of our most powerful expression of our
freedom, our right to vote. Now get out there and be safe
everyone.
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