Jason,
You raise an issue that frankly baffles me.
why is it not possible for an individual to choose a single operating
system and have their needs met from an accessibility standpoint?
why is it an acceptable situation to need multiple devices in various
systems to complete tasks.
It certainly was not always the case.
I can respect having a laptop or desktop and also a phone or tablet, but
those should work in harmony with each other if that makes sense. and
the accessibility should be consistent on those devices regardless
of program being used.
I have no idea where the concept of creating a single program to manage a
single task then incorporating accessibility in came from, perhaps the
windows arena.
Still as someone pointed out earlier in this thread Google believes that
controlling punctuation should not be something a user can do on the
Android platform. Yet text to speech is not a screen reader, with google
failing to understand this a major concern.
as you note, most of the individuals meeting with accessibility will not
have the technological ability to figure things out..so will simply
believe access is an impossibility in general.
However such complacency about what access is expected to do in part
started with the population benefiting from that access, not demanding
that a screen reader tool work uniformly across the board much the way
in theory the physical functions the adaptive tool enhances work in the
human body.
Kare
Who frankly wonders on average how many machines an individual using
adaptive technology owns?
On Thu, 9 Apr 2020, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:
I haven???t updated to iOS 13.4.1 yet, but I plan to do it soon. Based on what
I???ve read, I don???t expect any changes that will affect me or other
VoiceOver users significantly.
Every modern operating system has accessibility bugs, unfortunately. That???s
why I sometimes have to switch operating systems just to get work done. For
example, I???ve switched from Windows to Mac to complete a task in the last
week or two due to accessibility issues on the Windows ??side. Fortunately, the
laptop with Windows installed and the MacBook Pro are on the same desk, so
it???s really easy to move from one to the other. Of course, I really
shouldn???t have to move between two computers just to do my work properly, but
that???s how it is at the moment. This isn???t the place to discuss application
and screen reader crashes on Windows, or accessibility regressions there
either, or having to switch between Windows screen readers to work around bugs.
In my experience, the Mac has had its share of accessibility problems as well,
and I???ve been using it since 2014. Some applications are more accessible
under Windows than under Mac OS, and vice versa.
I have Windows 10, Mac OS, Linux and iOS here, so I believe I can make fair
comparisons. As it stands, I think the practical advice is to have multiple
operating systems available and to switch between them, as the task requires,
to work around accessibility problems. I should be able to choose two operating
systems ??? one for a laptop/desktop and the other for mobile, and use those
exclusively, but I don???t envisage that being effective from an accessibility
perspective for me within the short term or even the medium term. It just
isn???t workable, given the quality problems across multiple platforms. iOS is
adequate for my mobile needs, but the desktop/laptop situation is more complex
??? and that???s where I???m doing most of the work, and therefore where I
notice the problems more. Everyone???s situation is different, of course, and,
as usual, the people with less technical knowledge will be
The most disadvantaged when they run into accessibility problems ??? on
whichever platform they???re using. It???s the same everywhere.
From: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> on behalf of joseph hodge
<josephlho...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 16:38
To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Ios 13.4.1
You are free to go to a OS and device that meats your needs then. You gave no
reasoning to why your fed up or why Apple doesn???t care.
I find bugs the new text editing boxes where there isn???t edit boxes for one
but every OS has bugs we have to deal with. Android for one still can???t read
all punctuation which should be on every screen reader as an option. I left
Apple for a bit and came back some times we have to evaluate things and see how
they are. Hope you find what your looking for.
Joe
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
???Hi,
What specifically has given you the impression that Apple is not focusing on
accessibility?
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Apr 9, 2020, at 14:29, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
I???m getting fed up with Apple non-responsiveness to accessibility issues & have
begun the process of going back to Windows. & Jaws. I???m so disappointed.
On 8 Apr 2020, at 08:16, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
Hi!
I just updated to iOS 13.4.1.
SO far i haven???t notice any bugfixes for Vo.
/A
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