I can't think of how many machines I have with adaptive tech on them I have.
I know for a fact I need both windows with jaws and macintosh computers for different work related things, There is no accessibility to active directory from a mac os machine unless you are using exchange or sharepoint to set permissions on things within their groups / lists or librarys.the same is with powershell from a mac computer, Jaws and widnows wwork fine,an ssh client might work for powershell from a Mac but I've not ever been able to wmake it work. Yet from my iPhone or ipad I can administer access / create groups add user and set permissions to active directory services, Different devices / systems have different range of abilities , Mac computers are great and apples voiceover is one of the best screen reading products out there, But it doesn't allow for everything, Windows have has been developed for the world of business but not taken in to account those of us with no sight until more recently where narrator is working better and better all the time yet it's not an NVDA or jaws, Even jaws has it's limitations NvDA is still being developed to get it up to the accessibility level of things like jaws but yet jaws costs a lot of money and NVDA is free or you can donate to the production of it. Either way no system can do everything -----Original Message-----and each can do different things in different ways, Therefore sometimes it's great to have a couple of options to hopefully allow for the entire job to be done fully. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen Sent: Friday, 10 April 2020 2:17 PM To: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Ios 13.4.1 Jason, You raise an issue that frankly baffles me. why is it not possible for an individual to choose a single operating system and have their needs met from an accessibility standpoint? why is it an acceptable situation to need multiple devices in various systems to complete tasks. It certainly was not always the case. I can respect having a laptop or desktop and also a phone or tablet, but those should work in harmony with each other if that makes sense. and the accessibility should be consistent on those devices regardless of program being used. I have no idea where the concept of creating a single program to manage a single task then incorporating accessibility in came from, perhaps the windows arena. Still as someone pointed out earlier in this thread Google believes that controlling punctuation should not be something a user can do on the Android platform. Yet text to speech is not a screen reader, with google failing to understand this a major concern. as you note, most of the individuals meeting with accessibility will not have the technological ability to figure things out..so will simply believe access is an impossibility in general. However such complacency about what access is expected to do in part started with the population benefiting from that access, not demanding that a screen reader tool work uniformly across the board much the way in theory the physical functions the adaptive tool enhances work in the human body. Kare Who frankly wonders on average how many machines an individual using adaptive technology owns? On Thu, 9 Apr 2020, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote: > I haven’t updated to iOS 13.4.1 yet, but I plan to do it soon. Based on what > I’ve read, I don’t expect any changes that will affect me or other VoiceOver > users significantly. > > > > Every modern operating system has accessibility bugs, unfortunately. That’s > why I sometimes have to switch operating systems just to get work done. For > example, I’ve switched from Windows to Mac to complete a task in the last > week or two due to accessibility issues on the Windows side. Fortunately, > the laptop with Windows installed and the MacBook Pro are on the same desk, > so it’s really easy to move from one to the other. Of course, I really > shouldn’t have to move between two computers just to do my work properly, but > that’s how it is at the moment. This isn’t the place to discuss application > and screen reader crashes on Windows, or accessibility regressions there > either, or having to switch between Windows screen readers to work around > bugs. In my experience, the Mac has had its share of accessibility problems > as well, and I’ve been using it since 2014. Some applications are more > accessible under Windows than under Mac OS, and vice versa. > > > > I have Windows 10, Mac OS, Linux and iOS here, so I believe I can make > fair comparisons. As it stands, I think the practical advice is to > have multiple operating systems available and to switch between them, > as the task requires, to work around accessibility problems. I should > be able to choose two operating systems – one for a laptop/desktop and > the other for mobile, and use those exclusively, but I don’t envisage > that being effective from an accessibility perspective for me within > the short term or even the medium term. It just isn’t workable, given > the quality problems across multiple platforms. iOS is adequate for my > mobile needs, but the desktop/laptop situation is more complex – and > that’s where I’m doing most of the work, and therefore where I notice > the problems more. Everyone’s situation is different, of course, and, > as usual, the people with less technical knowledge will be > > The most disadvantaged when they run into accessibility problems – on > whichever platform they’re using. It’s the same everywhere. > > > > From: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> on behalf of > joseph hodge > > <josephlho...@gmail.com> > Reply-To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 16:38 > To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Ios 13.4.1 > > > > You are free to go to a OS and device that meats your needs then. You gave no > reasoning to why your fed up or why Apple doesn’t care. > > > > I find bugs the new text editing boxes where there isn’t edit boxes for one > but every OS has bugs we have to deal with. Android for one still can’t read > all punctuation which should be on every screen reader as an option. I left > Apple for a bit and came back some times we have to evaluate things and see > how they are. Hope you find what your looking for. > > > > Joe > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > What specifically has given you the impression that Apple is not focusing on > accessibility? > > > > Later... > > > > > Tim Kilburn > > Jamf Certified Tech > > Apple Teacher > > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) > > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > > > On Apr 9, 2020, at 14:29, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > > I’m getting fed up with Apple non-responsiveness to accessibility issues & > have begun the process of going back to Windows. & Jaws. 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