Braille is very important to me too as I can’t know the spelling of everything unless I have braille. Speech is good to listen to the content, but if you want detail, braille comes into its own. I wish braille on the Mac was better. But the world of work wants Windows so one needs to have a couple of operating systems I think.
Kawal. > On 11 Apr 2020, at 10:39, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote: > > Hi Jason and others! > That’s an interesting perspective too. > I also have multiple operating systems here like you. all operating systems > has their flaws of corse. > But it depends on what you should do with your Computer. > To me braille is very important as i really don’t get the full control with > speech only. > But i have to use both braille and speech on the mac as it is right now. > Otherwise i don’t get the full control over what’s going on on the screen. > In text only mode in linux braille is working just as i expect it to do. > But then again i have to get through the learning curve of command line > interface. > And to be honest i am not that clever yet. > /A > >> 10 apr. 2020 kl. 01:58 skrev 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>: >> >> I haven’t updated to iOS 13.4.1 yet, but I plan to do it soon. Based on what >> I’ve read, I don’t expect any changes that will affect me or other VoiceOver >> users significantly. >> >> Every modern operating system has accessibility bugs, unfortunately. That’s >> why I sometimes have to switch operating systems just to get work done. For >> example, I’ve switched from Windows to Mac to complete a task in the last >> week or two due to accessibility issues on the Windows side. Fortunately, >> the laptop with Windows installed and the MacBook Pro are on the same desk, >> so it’s really easy to move from one to the other. Of course, I really >> shouldn’t have to move between two computers just to do my work properly, >> but that’s how it is at the moment. This isn’t the place to discuss >> application and screen reader crashes on Windows, or accessibility >> regressions there either, or having to switch between Windows screen readers >> to work around bugs. In my experience, the Mac has had its share of >> accessibility problems as well, and I’ve been using it since 2014. Some >> applications are more accessible under Windows than under Mac OS, and vice >> versa. >> >> I have Windows 10, Mac OS, Linux and iOS here, so I believe I can make fair >> comparisons. As it stands, I think the practical advice is to have multiple >> operating systems available and to switch between them, as the task >> requires, to work around accessibility problems. I should be able to choose >> two operating systems – one for a laptop/desktop and the other for mobile, >> and use those exclusively, but I don’t envisage that being effective from an >> accessibility perspective for me within the short term or even the medium >> term. It just isn’t workable, given the quality problems across multiple >> platforms. iOS is adequate for my mobile needs, but the desktop/laptop >> situation is more complex – and that’s where I’m doing most of the work, and >> therefore where I notice the problems more. Everyone’s situation is >> different, of course, and, as usual, the people with less technical >> knowledge will be >> The most disadvantaged when they run into accessibility problems – on >> whichever platform they’re using. It’s the same everywhere. >> >> From: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of joseph hodge >> <josephlho...@gmail.com <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com>> >> Reply-To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >> Date: Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 16:38 >> To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >> Subject: Re: Ios 13.4.1 >> >> You are free to go to a OS and device that meats your needs then. You gave >> no reasoning to why your fed up or why Apple doesn’t care. >> >> I find bugs the new text editing boxes where there isn’t edit boxes for one >> but every OS has bugs we have to deal with. Android for one still can’t read >> all punctuation which should be on every screen reader as an option. I left >> Apple for a bit and came back some times we have to evaluate things and see >> how they are. Hope you find what your looking for. >> >> Joe >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >>> On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> What specifically has given you the impression that Apple is not focusing >>> on accessibility? >>> >>> Later... >>> >>> >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Jamf Certified Tech >>> Apple Teacher >>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>> On Apr 9, 2020, at 14:29, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I’m getting fed up with Apple non-responsiveness to accessibility issues & >>> have begun the process of going back to Windows. & Jaws. 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