Thank you for your input, Nic. Much appreciated. :)
Sent from my iPod
On Apr 15, 2010, at 1:12 AM, Charlie Doremus <giantdolp...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I would also like to thank you, Nic, for saving my bacon. Like Anne
I was going to take issue with NFB and others who love to gripe for
the sake of griping. You saved me from being called tactless twice
in the same week. Even though I don't use Jaws the idea of
uninstall, install, uninstall, install, no matter what program,
gives me the creeps.
Sent from the iPad I wish I had
On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:30 PM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk>
wrote:
Hello Nic,
Thank you for this post. You've just saved me from going on a major
rant along the same lines.
Cheers,
Anne
On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
Hi,
I seriously doubt that is the case. Apple accessibility has been
around for six years now, not three. I doubt NFB had anything to
do with it. Apple is going to keep it up because they are
committed. The article about the lawsuit doesn't actually mention
Apple much.
There is actually a very good point of view. Apple poses a threat
to the NFB of taking over the technical market. This is why NFB
did not sue Skype, but Apple. Agreement or not, I'm pretty sure
they listened to users using Outspoken and such, rather than an
organization that can't even review the product properly when it
is out. Apple has done far more than anyone for accessibility
improvements. Apple said they had something in store, and they
sure did. I of course realize that it is a pretty serious
statement. Of course, I am not particularly a fan of the NFB at
all. Saying that, NFB has made some seriously inaccurate
statements as well, far outweighing mine. NFB actually has no
reason to sue Apple. What would they sue them for, exactly?
Because their products are accessible, and they want everyone to
pay more than what a Macbook costs for assistive technology? That
wouldn't actually surprise me much. It's all about competition. If
they think they're about to be kicked out, of course they would
consider Apple a threat. Because Apple has done something
Microsoft has not. All these things sound really twisted and
disgusting to me.
Apple can hardly be sued for their effort. Their lawsuit had to do
with iTunes on the Windows side. Fair enough, but that is a pretty
ridiculous suit if it really is based on accessibility. That is
not the case, however, as there are plenty of other useful
programs for PCs that are not anywhere near as accessible as
iTunes 9. And NFB doesn't care about that. Which, again, leads me
to believe that, because NFB is scared of being kicked out, they
do everything they can to stop people buying their product. That
would make sense.
Windows users rely on scripts all the time to use any application.
I suggest you look through your jAWS folder to see what I mean.
Have you even seen just the download size of a JAWS installation?
It's outrageous. People who moan about iTunes not being accessible
just because the interface accidentally broke, just need to use
scripts like they do for everything else. I'm surprised that
wasn't their first complaint. JAWS, or just Windows in general,
isn't even that stable. If JAWS crashes, it's stupidly difficult
most of the time to reload the product. Even if you manage to do
so, you will probably run into the screen not being read correctly
when reading list boxes or with the cursor. Or, the worst-case
scenario. You have to uninstall JAWS 11 after attempting to
install Video Intercept, reinstall JAWS 10, install VIdeo
Intercept, uninstall JAWS 10 then reinstall JAWS 11.
Maybe I'm slamming the NFB a bit, but really, they need a kick in
the ass. I'm just happy the Danish blindness organizations are not
this corrupt and twisted, and they actually review fairly and take
a proper look at what a company offers before suing them. I'll
always be negative about the NFB, though I am actually being
neutral when talking about the actual lawsuit itself.
Say what you want to, it won't change my mind. Even if it is
someone from NFB saying it. Some NFB people are great. Some do
incredibly good reviews. Some don't. And in whole, I think the
organization just sucks for filing unnecessary lawsuits for
nothing. Maybe I'm going on a childish tantrum here, perhaps. But
once in a while, you need to. A company is trying to provide great
accessibility for their products, and they are sued because of one
problem. iTunes is actually still useful on the Windows side,
people. Quit your darn nitpicking.
Regards,
Nic
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On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Rob Lambert wrote:
I just got wind, from a friend of mine, that the only reason
Apple is accessible to us is because of a lawsuit by the NFB. The
term of the agreement was for accessibility improvements for
three years. Here's a question. First, what's your side of this
ordeal? Second, who thinks Apple will keep up with the
accessibility improvements after this three year term is up? I
apologize for making smooth waters mirky, I just wanted to know
what your take on this was.
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