Thanks Esther, Here, I'm interested in all manner of approaches because I have to teach the system, and different things work better for different people. All in all though, I have to streamline things as much as possible to suit my audience. My most recent mac client for example is 72. Now, he's a really sharp and spry 72, but he's still 72, and I only have 10 hours in which to make him proficient. He's going to be OK I think, but he will have a fare bit of self-teaching to do even after I am gone.
The simpler I can make things for him, the more he will get out of his 10 hours, and the better his training experience will be. Best, Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Website: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com Toll-free: 888-255-5194 On 2010-06-03, at 5:26 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi, > > I completely agree with Anne here about the value of using standard Mac > shortcuts. Just a few comments on suggesting shortcuts: there are still a > number of users on list who use earlier versions of VoiceOver -- a few even > still use Tiger. It can be important to tell people if you know that a > shortcut (like Erik's example of Command-Option-D) only works under Snow > Leopard when there are other shortcut versions (e.g. VO-D or Control-F3) that > work under every version of VoiceOver. Again, it's a question of tradeoffs > between what's easiest to learn for a beginner (in terms of groups of > commands that are easy to memorize), and ease of typing. Like Anne, I'm used > to typing all these multi-key combinations, which have long since sunk into > muscle memory. > > One of the great things about using a Mac is that you can go up to any Mac > and use VoiceOver. Another possible way to customize your shortcuts: Daniel > reported a few months ago on this list that the Numpad Commander shortcuts > work using the top row of number keys on the Mac laptops when you hold down > an arrow key and have Numpad Commander turned on. Since a large number of > users who are asking for simpler VoiceOver keyboard shortcuts are using > laptop keyboards, customizing your Numpad Commander definitions in VoiceOver > Utility, and then holding down an arrow key and pressing one of the keys in > the top row of numbers to get the corresponding Numpad Commander definition > is another way to extend your shortcuts. This can be especially useful if > you move between desktop and laptop, or eventually get a desktop keyboard, > and want to use the same definitions. This also seems to work on older > model Intel laptops, and at least in Leopard as well as Snow Leopard. I set > up an external numeric keypad with (unshifted) Numpad definitions like: "3" > for "Mouse to VoiceOver Cursor", "+" for "Interact with item", and "-" for > "Stop interacting", and I can press an arrow key with my right hand and tap > the "3" to move my mouse cursor to the VoiceOver cursor (instead of the > VO-Command-F5), or I can press the left arrow key with my right thumb and > then tap the "-" or "+" keys beside the delete key with my right middle > finger to start or stop interacting. (I actually prefer to use VO-Shift-Down > Arrow, etc., but this is just for an example.) > > Just some more suggestions. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:43, Anne Robertson wrote: > >> >> >> On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> and anothe rkeystroke you can use is control f2. thats the one I've been >>> using. >> >> That is the key stroke to take you to the Apple menu. Control-F3 takes you >> to the Dock. >> Control-F8 takes you to the Status menus. >> Command-Shift-D takes you to the Desktop. >> >> All these shortcuts are documented against their corresponding menu items. >> >> VoiceOver does not "Teach" us to do anything in particular. It simply gives >> us options we can use. The specific VO commands are useful when we work with >> the VO keys locked, which was a common thing to do before Snow Leopard and >> Quick Nav. >> >> The standard Mac shortcuts are second nature to me because I've been using a >> Mac for 14 years, and many shortcuts go back a long way. Others are very >> recent, such as Command-Shift-O to go to your Documents folder. >> >> I always teach people the standard Mac shortcuts because you never know when >> you'll need them. >> >> It's worth taking the time to look closely at menus to see just how many >> useful shortcuts there are. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
