Well said, Brandon!! On Jun 18, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Brandon Misch wrote: > well, you could type in /clear to clear the text and if you have key echo by > characters on, that will interupt it. also if you use keyboard commanders > like option t for time, that will interupt the system voice. > > On Jun 18, 2010, at 4:52 AM, Orin wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> What I do with Adium is when someone types a message if I've missed it is >> interact with the HTML area, hit VO-SHift-End to get to the last message >> received, and that's that. You don't have to scroll. >> >> So, if you know a few VO key shortcuts, messenger is just as good on >> windows, although I don't like system voice is Snow Leopard. Before, System >> Voice in regular Leopard 10.5 used to let VO interupt it when it was >> speaking. When System Voice is speaking now, if you command-tab you'll have >> to wait now for the System VOice to stop speaking for VO to say the window >> you just command-tabbed too. Sure, I know that Introvox voices have so that >> you don't have this problem, but I don't have the money at the moment. >> >> >> On Jun 17, 2010, at 5:47 AM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> You can create keyboard command shortcuts to perform basic tasks, such as >>> launch an application, tell you the current time, tell you how many unread >>> messages you have and I have assigned a toggle between DOM and Group mode >>> for when using Safari. mAC os x has scripting built into the OS which >>> VoiceOver is part of too as VoiceOver is built into the OS its not an add >>> on. Mac OS X has Automator too fa visual way to build many scripts. I >>> must admit I have not used scripts yet as I am fairly new to VoiceOver too. >>> >>> Like you I would prefer a better way of using IM, it is a bit clumsy on the >>> Mac I find. I wrote to Apple accessibility about iChat, I would like iChat >>> to automatically speak out a message as it arrives in the active window so >>> I can easily quickly type a response. Currently I have to move to the edit >>> box and type my message and then navigate to the HTML window to read my >>> replies in a conversation and a lot of the time (Adium) I have to keep >>> scrolling down the entire history to read my last message received. Not >>> sure if there is a better way. I think iChat supports VO +J but as I was >>> about to try it Safari 5 seemed to mess up my iChat experience. I have >>> seen JAWS use MSN Messenger for Windows and it is far superior, if we keep >>> the pressure up with Apple hopefully iChat will work just as well. As for >>> other IM applications, we are best writing to the developers directly. >>> On 17 Jun 2010, at 10:35, Dave Taylor wrote: >>> >>>> Here are some specific questions on areas where it appears Jaws is ahead. >>>> >>>> 1. In messenger programs, is it possible to have a set of keystrokes that >>>> will read messages and stay within the history area while being able to >>>> type >>>> in the edit area at the same time and review that typing? I would want to >>>> have a feature set like the alt plus numbers and arrows in Jaws otherwise >>>> it >>>> would be too slow. This is one of the main reasons I haven't switched to >>>> NVDA rather than Jaws. >>>> >>>> 2. In Skype, I can get to my contacts or conversations list with single >>>> keystrokes using ctrl 1 and ctrl 2, and focus most other areas with similar >>>> keystrokes. In addition to the feature I just asked for in messenger, how >>>> easy is this in Mac? >>>> >>>> 3. This one is not a Mac problem, but is really important to me. I use >>>> several programs that make tasks so easy in Windows that don't work on the >>>> Mac. How much does it cost to buy Windows stand alone these days to run >>>> those on a Mac? I'm thinking of SpeakOn which makes internet radio, >>>> podcasts >>>> and all sorts of other audio things much easier and gives you fantastic >>>> control over speed etc, Kurzweil 1000 which though expensive automates so >>>> much of my mail reading by simply scanning and automatically reading things >>>> while I'm doing things, and programs that don't even exist for Mac like the >>>> VIP communicator for the Accessible Friends Network and VIP Conduit. >>>> >>>> It is also possible with Jaws for people to write scripts to do things and >>>> share them. Is this possible for VO? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Olivia Norman >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:13 AM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Prospective Mac User >>>> >>>> What do you feel Freedom Sciencefiction and jaws provide that VO lacks? >>>> I'm just curious. >>>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs >>>> >>>> On Jun 16, 2010, at 4:25 PM, cathyk wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Kolby, >>>>> I bought my MacBook Pro about a month ago, and am largely happy. But >>>>> there are a few important things to know. 1) VO doesn't work with all >>>>> programs, notably MS Word. I was surprised that such an industry >>>>> standard requires finding workarounds every time you open a document, >>>>> which isn't ideal when doing collaborative writing projects or comment >>>>> on hundreds of papers electronically as I do. Whether this is Apple's >>>>> or Microsoft's fault, the bottom line is that Word files need to be >>>>> "translated" through programs like "Preview" (which comes installed) >>>>> or Pages in iworks, which requires laying out another $50 or $60. >>>>> Some say the new freeware version of Open Office works better; I >>>>> haven't tried, so I'd love to hear from someone who writes and edits a >>>>> lot. Even if it works better than the paid version, I suspect other >>>>> features get lost - alas, you get what you pay for. 2) the >>>>> portability features seem terrific but you should consider which >>>>> environments you'll be wanting to access because at least for now the >>>>> Mac market is quite small in comparison to PCs, so the number of >>>>> computers where your USB settings will work is fairly small. 3) VO is >>>>> very good, but it isn't JAWS or ZoomText. Many of us dream of a day >>>>> when we can use out-of-the-box technology just like everyone else; >>>>> we're much, much closer, but that day isn't there yet. 4) The user >>>>> support is limited for VO. This discussion list is excellent, but I >>>>> still have a growing list of questions that people can't answer and >>>>> that are impossible to look up. Even the in-depth manual isn't *that* >>>>> in-depth. This means there's a kind of pioneer spirit to the whole >>>>> thing, with people figuring out this and that just like they would >>>>> sort out how to repair a wagon wheel a thousand miles from >>>>> civilization. That's exciting, hip, and creative, but sometimes you >>>>> just want a simple answer to a nagging problem that's still beyond >>>>> even the best macvisionaries. All that said, I'm enjoying my new >>>>> machine. >>>>> Best, >>>>> Cathyk >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 16, 2:10 pm, Pete Nalda <lpna...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> First off, don't worry about what may be going on at the moment, with the >>>> update. Mac OS is still so much easier in general to deal with than >>>> windows >>>> and its various screen readers. This may not apply for everyone on here >>>> but >>>> to me the choice was economical. Every time there was a new version of >>>> windows, I'd have to purchase a new version ("upgrade") of ZoomText. I got >>>> tired of playing that game. Every time I buy a new version of Mac OSX, I >>>> get >>>> a new version of Zoom *and* VoiceOver :) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 16, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Kolby Garrison wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Everyone, >>>>>>> I am considering purchasing a mac book pro, and I wanted to know what >>>> satisfied mac users have to say about the pros and cons of mac and windows. >>>> I have been researching voiceover, and it sounds like a very stable screen >>>> reading solution. I like the portable preferences feature, and from what I >>>> have read thus far I do believe that a mac book pro will be purchased in my >>>> very near future. I will go to an apple store for some hands on time with a >>>> mac, but if anyone would share your mac experiences with me I would >>>> appreciate it. I know that there will be a learning curve going from the >>>> windows operating system to the mac operating system, but I am ready and >>>> willing to learn all that I can. >>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>> Kolby >>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group >>>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> Egun On, Lagunak! 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