I agree actually with Bryan here. I was in a pool room and listening to one of my favorite radio networks. it buffered at 16k stereo dial up which sucked. but then again I think of it like this. some people will still pay 45 a month to use 3 gigs of data or more. so what at&t has done I think is to entice some of us to use more bandwidth and if they can pay for it they will. I prophesy that at&t and verison will get themselves in to a pickle as the networks degrade even further. Sorry for presenting both sides of the coin here but that's what it is.
S On Jun 20, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: > if you want to pay more go for it and while youare at it help us pay for what > used to be overpiced and ow is rediculous!yeah rich man most of us can NOT > afford it especialy considering the i phone is the ONLY reasonable solution > that is accessible. anything else costs twice the price for half the > functionality > On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: > >> You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the >> more I like it. >> >> Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network >> performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has >> become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large >> part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those >> people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do anything >> on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, anyone can go >> get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth for $30 per >> month. You don't need many of those people in your area before most of the >> network capacity is gone. >> >> Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can afford >> to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most people >> won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what they're >> doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at their >> desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be worried >> about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which means more >> bandwidth for me. >> >> I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or all >> you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of those >> web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the bandwidth >> for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other thousand >> sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can download all >> you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet restaurant for fine >> dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that actually manages to cover >> the costs for the service that they provide. If not, well, you descend in to >> the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I >> think that I get more upset with AT&T's network being clogged than I am >> about the price. If I can pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. >> >> Bryan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman >> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! >> >> how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i >> want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also >> want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the >> telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of >> streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get off >> thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm tryinh o >> ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i ever did >> want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i pad will >> have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any chance of >> acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream audio with >> my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, 2010, >> at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >> >>> It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not >>> screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of having >>> limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most people >>> will end up saving money in the long run. >>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >>> >>>> what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the ball >>>> sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!!!!!! i doubt i wil be getting a new >>>> I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us and verizon >>>> will surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone it was expensive >>>> enugh beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who want to get an I >>>> phone >>>> as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 >>>> AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: >>>> >>>>> right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be >>>>> blunt jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just >>>>> because we can is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that has made >>>>> itself usable out of the box for us. It's not only free, but jumping >>>>> ahead is not only a touch unethical considering, but a touch rude to boot. >>>>> On 2010-06-12, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained the >>>>>> beta via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve to ask >>>>>> how to install/upgrade software you are not entitled to use. I hope no >>>>>> one provides you with any help on this list. Perhaps waiting for the >>>>>> official release makes even more sense and wow, you would have to wait >>>>>> one entire week. >>>>>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Jørgen Skov Nielsen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have downloaded the iphone os 4, and the itunes beta. >>>>>>> How can i do that, i have tryed to check for updates, but i can't >>>>>>> find the boks, there i can shose the file with the update i have >>>>>>> downloaded. >>>>>>> Are there anyone, there have tryed to upgrade to i os 4. >>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>> Jorgen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2010/6/11, Scott Howell <scottn3...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>> Man you guys really cant' wait another week or so? How do you >>>>>>>> know what your downloading has not been hacked and has malicious >>>>>>>> code installed. Of course at the very least, do you not respect >>>>>>>> the fact that these downloads are illegal or certainly are not in >>>>>>>> line with Apples policy. I can't wait either, but these are not >>>>>>>> legitimate sources and you do not know what your getting. >>>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm running IOS 4 from www.myiphoneactivation.com. check it out >>>>>>>>> all of the betas are there >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I will be preordering the iPhone 4G on Tuesday, I'm very excited for >>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cody >>>>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> hi when I go to down the actual os 4 file the torrent file is >>>>>>>>>> gone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I >>>>>>>>>>> don't think I can install os4. Can I? >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws >>>>>>>>>>>> by doing that. We don't crack any software. You only install >>>>>>>>>>>> free apps and updates. >>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>>>>>> Søren Jensen >>>>>>>>>>>> Mail & MSN: >>>>>>>>>>>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk >>>>>>>>>>>> Website: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi folkes. >>>>>>>>>>>>> For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you >>>>>>>>>>>>> translate it with http://translate.google.com/ Here's the >>>>>>>>>>>>> guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -David >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>> 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