yes and only 1 for the I phone the only realistic accessibility solutionfor portable use On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> Not enough competition? > > I can think of 4 other carriers off the top of my head. How much competition > is needed? > On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Ryan Mann wrote: > >> I agree with you Donna. The problem is that there is not much competition >> in the phone carrier market in the United States, so Atnt is not really >> motivated to beaf up their network. For a perspective on why this is bad >> for consumers, read http://www.freepress.net/node/80372. >> >> On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Good points, but I wonder if you're right about people being more careful. >>> I'm sure that some will, but many will probably just pay for the larger >>> amount of data, and continue their current behavior. >>> >>> I think the better solution to the problem you're talking about would be >>> for ATT to get their act together and build a decent infrastructure. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: >>> >>>> You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the >>>> more I like it. >>>> >>>> Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network >>>> performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has >>>> become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large >>>> part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those >>>> people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do >>>> anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, >>>> anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth >>>> for $30 per month. You don't need many of those people in your area before >>>> most of the network capacity is gone. >>>> >>>> Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can >>>> afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most >>>> people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what >>>> they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at >>>> their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be >>>> worried about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which >>>> means more bandwidth for me. >>>> >>>> I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or >>>> all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of >>>> those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the >>>> bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the >>>> other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you >>>> can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet >>>> restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that >>>> actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. If >>>> not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web >>>> hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with AT&T's >>>> network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can pay more to have >>>> it work well, then sign me up. >>>> >>>> Bryan >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! >>>> >>>> how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i >>>> want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also >>>> want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the >>>> telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours >>>> of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to >>>> get off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm >>>> tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i >>>> ever did want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i >>>> pad will have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any >>>> chance of acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream >>>> audio with my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On >>>> Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>> >>>>> It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not >>>>> screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of >>>>> having limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most >>>>> people will end up saving money in the long run. >>>>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the >>>>>> ball sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!!!!!! i doubt i wil be >>>>>> getting a new I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us >>>>>> and verizon will surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone it >>>>>> was expensive enugh beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who >>>>>> want to get an I phone >>>>>> as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 >>>>>> AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be >>>>>>> blunt jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just >>>>>>> because we can is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that has >>>>>>> made itself usable out of the box for us. It's not only free, but >>>>>>> jumping ahead is not only a touch unethical considering, but a touch >>>>>>> rude to boot. >>>>>>> On 2010-06-12, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained the >>>>>>>> beta via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve to ask >>>>>>>> how to install/upgrade software you are not entitled to use. I hope >>>>>>>> no one provides you with any help on this list. Perhaps waiting for >>>>>>>> the official release makes even more sense and wow, you would have to >>>>>>>> wait one entire week. >>>>>>>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Jørgen Skov Nielsen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have downloaded the iphone os 4, and the itunes beta. >>>>>>>>> How can i do that, i have tryed to check for updates, but i can't >>>>>>>>> find the boks, there i can shose the file with the update i have >>>>>>>>> downloaded. >>>>>>>>> Are there anyone, there have tryed to upgrade to i os 4. >>>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>>> Jorgen >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2010/6/11, Scott Howell <scottn3...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>>>> Man you guys really cant' wait another week or so? How do you >>>>>>>>>> know what your downloading has not been hacked and has malicious >>>>>>>>>> code installed. Of course at the very least, do you not respect >>>>>>>>>> the fact that these downloads are illegal or certainly are not in >>>>>>>>>> line with Apples policy. I can't wait either, but these are not >>>>>>>>>> legitimate sources and you do not know what your getting. >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm running IOS 4 from www.myiphoneactivation.com. check it out >>>>>>>>>>> all of the betas are there >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I will be preordering the iPhone 4G on Tuesday, I'm very excited >>>>>>>>>>> for it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cody >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hi when I go to down the actual os 4 file the torrent file is >>>>>>>>>>>> gone >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I >>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think I can install os4. Can I? >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws >>>>>>>>>>>>>> by doing that. We don't crack any software. You only install >>>>>>>>>>>>>> free apps and updates. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Søren Jensen >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mail & MSN: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Website: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi folkes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translate it with http://translate.google.com/ Here's the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -David >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from 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