Not enough competition? I can think of 4 other carriers off the top of my head. How much competition is needed? On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Ryan Mann wrote:
> I agree with you Donna. The problem is that there is not much competition in > the phone carrier market in the United States, so Atnt is not really > motivated to beaf up their network. For a perspective on why this is bad for > consumers, read http://www.freepress.net/node/80372. > > On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Good points, but I wonder if you're right about people being more careful. >> I'm sure that some will, but many will probably just pay for the larger >> amount of data, and continue their current behavior. >> >> I think the better solution to the problem you're talking about would be for >> ATT to get their act together and build a decent infrastructure. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: >> >>> You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the >>> more I like it. >>> >>> Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network >>> performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has >>> become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large >>> part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those >>> people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do >>> anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, anyone >>> can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth for $30 >>> per month. You don't need many of those people in your area before most of >>> the network capacity is gone. >>> >>> Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can afford >>> to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most people >>> won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what they're >>> doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at their >>> desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be worried >>> about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which means more >>> bandwidth for me. >>> >>> I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or >>> all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of >>> those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the >>> bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other >>> thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can >>> download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet restaurant >>> for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that actually manages >>> to cover the costs for the service that they provide. If not, well, you >>> descend in to the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web hosting and >>> buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with AT&T's network being >>> clogged than I am about the price. If I can pay more to have it work well, >>> then sign me up. >>> >>> Bryan >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman >>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! >>> >>> how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i >>> want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also >>> want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the >>> telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of >>> streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get >>> off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm >>> tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i >>> ever did want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i >>> pad will have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any >>> chance of acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream >>> audio with my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun >>> 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>> >>>> It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not >>>> screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of >>>> having limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most >>>> people will end up saving money in the long run. >>>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >>>> >>>>> what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the >>>>> ball sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!!!!!! i doubt i wil be getting >>>>> a new I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us and >>>>> verizon will surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone it was >>>>> expensive enugh beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who want to >>>>> get an I phone >>>>> as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 >>>>> AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be >>>>>> blunt jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just >>>>>> because we can is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that has made >>>>>> itself usable out of the box for us. It's not only free, but jumping >>>>>> ahead is not only a touch unethical considering, but a touch rude to >>>>>> boot. >>>>>> On 2010-06-12, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained the >>>>>>> beta via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve to ask >>>>>>> how to install/upgrade software you are not entitled to use. I hope no >>>>>>> one provides you with any help on this list. Perhaps waiting for the >>>>>>> official release makes even more sense and wow, you would have to wait >>>>>>> one entire week. >>>>>>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Jørgen Skov Nielsen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have downloaded the iphone os 4, and the itunes beta. >>>>>>>> How can i do that, i have tryed to check for updates, but i can't >>>>>>>> find the boks, there i can shose the file with the update i have >>>>>>>> downloaded. >>>>>>>> Are there anyone, there have tryed to upgrade to i os 4. >>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>> Jorgen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2010/6/11, Scott Howell <scottn3...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>>> Man you guys really cant' wait another week or so? How do you >>>>>>>>> know what your downloading has not been hacked and has malicious >>>>>>>>> code installed. Of course at the very least, do you not respect >>>>>>>>> the fact that these downloads are illegal or certainly are not in >>>>>>>>> line with Apples policy. I can't wait either, but these are not >>>>>>>>> legitimate sources and you do not know what your getting. >>>>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm running IOS 4 from www.myiphoneactivation.com. check it out >>>>>>>>>> all of the betas are there >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I will be preordering the iPhone 4G on Tuesday, I'm very excited for >>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cody >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> hi when I go to down the actual os 4 file the torrent file is >>>>>>>>>>> gone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I >>>>>>>>>>>> don't think I can install os4. Can I? >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws >>>>>>>>>>>>> by doing that. We don't crack any software. 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