The reality is, Safari is a problem in Lion with VoiceOver. From the
technical information I have read, this is more of a Safari issue than a
VoiceOver issue.
However, with that said, it seems these issues vary with person to person.
A clean install is a good suggestion for sure. Also, perhaps trying the
nightly build of Web Kit to see if that fixes any issues.
I do have the problem with the popup windows not being seen with VoiceOver
and seeing to lock it up. What I do in those instances is simply hit the
escape key before doing anything else. If you lose speech, command tab out of
Safari and try starting the VoiceOver Quick Start with
control-option-command-F8. When it starts, then hit the escape key and
VoiceOver should return. Command back to Safari and quickly hit the escape key
a few times and that should close the dialog box.
Take Care
John Panarese
jpanar...@gmail.com
On Nov 10, 2011, at 11:15 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> Cody, in some cases, to speak frankly, it is a matter of not being familiar
> with how to use Voice Over. Tim was not, I think, trying to insult you; and,
> nor am I. you're taking this rather too personally I fear. A practical
> suggestion, (and one which I myself might have to try soon) did you try to
> run a clean installation yet? I mean go in to the partitian, use the
> utilities to completely format the hard drive, (after backing your volume to
> an external drive of course) and then doing a fresh clean install?
>
> Your descriptions almost would lead me to suggest that this is what you might
> attempt next.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
>
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>
>
>
> On Nov 10, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Cody wrote:
>
>> No, I disagree. There is no reason why voiceover should randomly decide to
>> stop functioning properly in safari, which it has done, and continues to do
>> for me, specifically, as said prior, about the web roter and quicknav, some
>> windows, like the "do you wish to send the form again?" box will pop up but
>> voiceover won't focus on it, and neither command accent or voiceover f2 will
>> allow me access to this dialog. Furthermore, I am unable to quit out of
>> safari while this window is open. I have run into issues with voiceover in
>> safari where I will go back to a previous webpage, and then again try to use
>> element navigation like jump to headings and such or links either by
>> pressing voiceover command and whatever letter or by using the up and down
>> arrow keys. This sometimes results in voiceover just reading the title of
>> the page, for no reason without performing the requested function it is
>> supposed to do. And you're going to tell me I don't know what I'm doing? It
>> may perhaps be a machine specific thing, but I am mostly doubting this. I
>> think it is a voiceover bug and/or a safari issue. Out of all the qwurks in
>> osx 10.7, safari is the worst. And, I am not the only person with safari
>> issues, I get busy busy busy as well, and snow leopard was far more useable
>> with safari. Other people on this list have had the same issues I'm having,
>> so it is clearly not me. And once again, it is not inteligence, because I've
>> gone to technical schooling for 2 years and have worked on many many
>> computers in many many different situations. So, let's disregard the
>> inteligence factor it clearly has no place in this conversation, which only
>> leaves 2 options. 1, it's machine specific, which if this is the case, prove
>> it. or 2, it's a bug, which needs to be addressed. These are the only 2
>> options the bugs could realistically be.
>>
>> Cody
>> On Nov 10, 2011, at 9:41 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I won't take sides here, as I don't believe that it is a "sides" issue.
>>> Levels of comfort and ease of adaptability to the changes in look and feel
>>> of Lion vary with individuals and they should do whatever they feel so that
>>> their experience remains positive.
>>>
>>> You may find, though, that you will be unable to install SL on a Lion
>>> machine, as Apple often makes it more or less impossible to install a
>>> "lower" OS on a system once the latest OS has been released. I've got
>>> around it a few times with Net Restore images deployed from an OS X Server,
>>> but most people don't have access to this technology.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> On 2011-11-10, at 12:31 AM, Chris Snyder wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I want to start off this post by saying that I installed Lion the day it
>>>> came out on my Macbook Pro. Before doing so, I made a time machine backup
>>>> of my Snow Leopard system, and I can't tell you how glad I am that I did.
>>>> I tried Lion for a week, and found it to be terribly buggy and not nearly
>>>> as intuitive to use as SL. I restored my computer back to SL, and have
>>>> continued using it since. Recently, a friend of mine got a brand new iMac
>>>> with Lion installed. He has been calling me asking for help understanding
>>>> how to do some very simple things. using the mail program, entering a tun
>>>> of contacts into his address book, and using Safari to listen to a webcast
>>>> he particularly likes. While we handled mail without much difficulty, I
>>>> must say that Safari and Address Book have been riddled with problems.
>>>> Safari will often give us the busy signal, and the address book kicks us
>>>> out of the fields and deposits us in some sort of no mans land where we
>>>> must command tab back and forth to get free. He has updated to Lion
>>>> 10.7.2, and yet this hasn't really fixed the issues. The nonsense with
>>>> creating multiple desktops and such was a bit annoying too. I wonder if
>>>> maybe simple is better some times. It's sad, but as I purchased a snow
>>>> leopard full installation disc for him, I'm going to go down to his house
>>>> and put SL on his machine so that he can actually have a good experience
>>>> using his mac rather than the flawed and terribly buggy one he's been
>>>> having. That's not to say that SL doesn't have its problems, but they are
>>>> far fewer than Lion it seems. I hope that Apple will take a page from
>>>> Microsoft and move quickly on to the next OS as Microsoft did from Vista
>>>> to 7. I'm afraid Lion is a lemon.
>>>> I'm curious to know about your experiences with Lion versus Snow Leopard.
>>>>
>>>> Friendly,
>>>> Chris
>>>> --------------
>>>> I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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