I'd rather have the dectalk voices. On Jul 3, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Daniel McGee wrote:
> eloquence 100% is for me. If I had this, then I wouldn't be using windows > anymore there's something about the voice that I can listen to it and I don't > get tired of it. I have a hearing impairment and find it is more clear > understandable in words than these silly nuance voices. I don't want that to > be offending to anyone who uses the nuance real speak voices but for me, I > just don't understand them clearly, to slow no matter how much I speed them > up I can't understand them when they are really fast anyway and lastly too > slow even when I can follow them. > Ohand caps lock gets my vote too. > If the day comes where Apple have eloquence added to the list of VO voices, > will be the day where I differently upgrade my OS! > > How do others feel about eloquence being added? > You got me started on this one! LOL > > Daniel > On 3 Jul 2012, at 12:47, Chris Moore wrote: > >> I guess that makes sense. I suppose that is the charm of VO, it can be used >> in so many different ways. >> >> If I am using my iMac, then I tend to use the numeric keypad., and if I am >> using my iOS devices I use quick nav via a bluetooth keyboard, and when >> using my Macbook I use the track pad. >> >> Caps lock gets my vote too then if anyone at Apple is listening. >> >> HOw about built in OCR anyone? or would anyone like to see eloquence added >> to the voice list too? >> >> Chris >> >> >> On 3 Jul 2012, at 12:18, Garth Humphreys wrote: >> >>> I prefer not to have to take my fingers off the home keys. It is not so >>> much with the arrow keys that I would want to use the caps lock key but >>> with the other vo commands. I can't help think that the caps lock key is a >>> complete waste of prime keyboard real-estate, if you know what I mean. It >>> is much more efficient to my way of thinking to just move your little >>> finger to the caps lock key as compared to either removing your left or >>> right hand from it's home keys to press the current VO modifiers. >>> >>> Garth >>> iblindtech.com >>> >>> On 03/07/2012, at 8:39 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>> >>>> Well with any luck Apple may head in this direction, as they appear to >>>> have got the message with iOS 6 that zoom and voice over at the same time >>>> would be beneficial. If it was improved and there were better contrast >>>> colour schemes, I may consider using it myself. I sometimes fire up >>>> ZoomText on my work PC when using JAWS to sometimes find that button >>>> within a web page that JAWS can't see or a dialog window that JAWS refuses >>>> to read. >>>> >>>> So where would you see using the caps lock over using quick nav? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> On 3 Jul 2012, at 10:31, Garth Humphreys wrote: >>>> >>>>> There are a few bugs when zoomed to high levels, i.e., more than 14X or >>>>> so. If you have VO running and zoom set to follow the keyboard focus you >>>>> will find that the command tab to switch between apps becomes unreliable >>>>> and navigating the menu bar with the arrow keys is also unreliable. Also >>>>> I don't like the way it tracks and works with reading text. I'd like >>>>> better colour options and keyboard commands to adjust them, or at least >>>>> for the invert brightness keyboard command not to conflict with a Voice >>>>> Over command. You would think that Apple would be able to sort out >>>>> keyboard command conflicts between two of their own accessibility >>>>> utilities. I am sure there are work arounds for some of these but a work >>>>> around isn't the same as fixing the problem. For example the menu >>>>> navigation issue I mentioned does not occur if you use swipes on the >>>>> trackpad with trackpad commander to navigate the menu. It only happens >>>>> with the arrow keys - strange but there you are. >>>>> >>>>> If I used it regularly I would probably come across more of the issues. >>>>> It really doesn't seem to me that apple intended the two utilities to >>>>> work together or at least that this was an edge case. It would seem to me >>>>> that they expected people to use either option exclusively and if so, >>>>> they are probably right. Most people probably do use one or the other. >>>>> >>>>> I'd also love to see the safari busy issue buried deep. >>>>> >>>>> The addition of the ability to set the caps lock key to act as the VO >>>>> modifier would also be great. >>>>> >>>>> Garth >>>>> iblindtech.com >>>>> On 03/07/2012, at 6:48 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> What improvements would you like fixed in particular when it comes to >>>>>> zoom? >>>>>> On 3 Jul 2012, at 09:44, Garth Humphreys wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd love to see some improvements to the way VO works with Zoom and >>>>>>> just some improvements to Zoom in general. I mostly don't use Zoom on >>>>>>> my Mac but this only because it is so poor when compared to things like >>>>>>> ZoomText in the windows world. It is probably great if you don't need >>>>>>> to use Voice Over or if you only need a little enlargement but it falls >>>>>>> completely short for me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Garth >>>>>>> iblindtech.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 03/07/2012, at 6:26 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Riccardo, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Actually that is what I was hinting at to be honest, as i feel the >>>>>>>> method of selecting text within Safari is rather sloppy. You can also >>>>>>>> navigate by line within iOS, so hoped that feature would come across >>>>>>>> to OS X. Navigating by line is also useful when trying to read pages >>>>>>>> that have been styled into columns via CSS instead of a table. This >>>>>>>> can be done in JAWS quite nicely. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>> On 3 Jul 2012, at 00:11, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I doubt you will see the reading by line with the down arrow. That >>>>>>>>> would radically change the way VO navigates the web, and I'm not sure >>>>>>>>> it would be for the better. It would be selecting text easier though. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>>>>>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>>>>>>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>>>>>>>> www.appletothecore.info >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Chris Moore <apple.geek.ch...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hmmm I remember a while back putting a list of 15 improvements. I >>>>>>>>>> can't remember them all now, so perhaps I have just learnt to live >>>>>>>>>> without them. I did report them to Apple though as bugs and feature >>>>>>>>>> enhancements. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The VoiceOver busy is the biggest annoyance which is caused by the >>>>>>>>>> pathetic slow buffering system voice over uses. So I would like to >>>>>>>>>> see that rewritten from the ground up. There are a few random >>>>>>>>>> performance bugs that happen now and then which require me to switch >>>>>>>>>> voice over off then back on again. So overall performance could do >>>>>>>>>> with being improved. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would also like to know what web page I am looking at when >>>>>>>>>> switching between tabs, being told that is an HTML page is not >>>>>>>>>> exactly helpful. I would also like to navigate line by line just by >>>>>>>>>> pressing the down arrow or up key. VO still needs a bit of work >>>>>>>>>> when reporting how many HMTL elements are on a web page, some >>>>>>>>>> windows screen readers seem to find more tables and headings than >>>>>>>>>> VO, especially in the buggy rotor. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would like the ability to edit form fields in a PDF with Preview, >>>>>>>>>> but I believe this is coming in the next Mountain Lion release >>>>>>>>>> (according to Apple's website). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would appreciate MIDI event editing in GarageBand, and a huge >>>>>>>>>> update to iWork. There just is not enough accessible productive >>>>>>>>>> software on the Mac. There is more to using a Mac than just Skype >>>>>>>>>> and Mail surely? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Not sure if that bug still exists when using the real speak voices >>>>>>>>>> where the pitch used to shift up and down randomly. I stopped using >>>>>>>>>> those voices as it became too annoying. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would also like the ability to edit voice over's dictionary. For >>>>>>>>>> example if you type third as in the number 3 followed by the letters >>>>>>>>>> r and d, you get 3rd (three road), surely this should be a third? >>>>>>>>>> So I think the ability to edit some of VO's assumptions would be >>>>>>>>>> nice, or maybe VO should grow up and become a tad more intelligent. >>>>>>>>>> I would like more control over how VO reads out numbers too. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Maybe developers should also be given the option to name what VO >>>>>>>>>> calls an HTML area, as something else? For example when using adium >>>>>>>>>> the chat window is called an HTML area, am sure a chat window or >>>>>>>>>> conversation window would be more meaningful. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Last but not least, I find VO a bit slow when first entering the >>>>>>>>>> iTunes store. The page takes a while to render. Well actually >>>>>>>>>> visually it does not, but VO seems to think it does. Actually come >>>>>>>>>> to mention it when VO says something is busy, a sighted person can >>>>>>>>>> still move the mouse and perform the action they require, it is just >>>>>>>>>> VO's buffer which is busy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I spotted another bug today too. When ordering a smart case for my >>>>>>>>>> iPad, VO was unable to read out the colour options. When trying to >>>>>>>>>> select a colour, VO simply said "space radio button" for each of the >>>>>>>>>> 6 colours. The work around seemed to be select a colour, go back to >>>>>>>>>> the top of the screen and read out the description to see if the >>>>>>>>>> default green had changed. Or look in the basket and hope to god >>>>>>>>>> you have not selected pink. I eventually performed this task via >>>>>>>>>> the Apple Store app on my iPhone which performed perfectly. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>> On 2 Jul 2012, at 19:16, Daniel McGee wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, a while ago on this list I saw someone mention that they >>>>>>>>>>> would like so and so bug to be fixed in Mountain Lion. >>>>>>>>>>> I would just really like to start a discussion on if there are not >>>>>>>>>>> many enhancements to Voiceover in the next OS, then what bugs would >>>>>>>>>>> you like fixed and hope Apple has done there job with it. >>>>>>>>>>> I'll go 1st. >>>>>>>>>>> For me its safari. two things for me. >>>>>>>>>>> 1. Now and then when I go back a page with CMD left bracket >>>>>>>>>>> Voiceover doesn't announce my list of headings or links that I have >>>>>>>>>>> set in VO utility. >>>>>>>>>>> 2. continuing this previous page thing, because I don't always know >>>>>>>>>>> when the page is fully loaded when going back, I get the lovely >>>>>>>>>>> "Voiceover Busy!" Not! >>>>>>>>>>> This is using Lion V7.4 and Safari 5.1.7 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So what are yours? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I hope this will become an interesting topic because I'm interested >>>>>>>>>>> to see what people can come up with and I'm sure there will be some >>>>>>>>>>> good ones! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So everyone, the dance floor is yours! 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