Interesting, because I'm the opposite. I would rather use eloquence and I would rather use male voices than female. I guess it all comes down to personal taste in the end.
Daniel On 3 Jul 2012, at 14:47, Missy Hoppe wrote: > While I agree 100 percent that Eloquence is the only speech that is efficient > enough to actually get things done with, I've > never been particularly fond of it. Not sure that makes sense given that I've > used Glen more or less exclusively for the past > 12 years or so, but on the whole, I think Eloquence is seriously over-rated. > True, it's the only thing I use on the PC side, > but that's out of necessity, not because I find it pleasant or anything. I > don't use the RealSpeak voices on the mac either, > though. I even bought the acapella voices, but still find myself only using > Alex as a general rule. So, while I can see both > sides of the coin on the eloquence thing, it's nothing I'd get all excited > about if Apple ever incorporated it. In most > cases, Alex is responsive enough for my needs on the mac. I'd love to see a > female equivelent of Alex, though. Alice, > perhaps? It's just that when it comes to those higher quality voices, I find > the female ones slightly easier to understand in > most cases. > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McGee > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 9:39 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: what Voiceover bugs people want or are hoping will be fixed or > squashed in Mountain Lion? > > eloquence 100% is for me. If I had this, then I wouldn't be using windows > anymore there's something about the voice that I > can listen to it and I don't get tired of it. I have a hearing impairment and > find it is more clear understandable in words > than these silly nuance voices. I don't want that to be offending to anyone > who uses the nuance real speak voices but for me, > I just don't understand them clearly, to slow no matter how much I speed them > up I can't understand them when they are really > fast anyway and lastly too slow even when I can follow them. > Ohand caps lock gets my vote too. > If the day comes where Apple have eloquence added to the list of VO voices, > will be the day where I differently upgrade my > OS! > > How do others feel about eloquence being added? > You got me started on this one! LOL > > Daniel > On 3 Jul 2012, at 12:47, Chris Moore wrote: > >> I guess that makes sense. I suppose that is the charm of VO, it can be used >> in so many different ways. >> >> If I am using my iMac, then I tend to use the numeric keypad., and if I am >> using my iOS devices I use quick nav via a > bluetooth keyboard, and when using my Macbook I use the track pad. >> >> Caps lock gets my vote too then if anyone at Apple is listening. >> >> HOw about built in OCR anyone? or would anyone like to see eloquence added >> to the voice list too? >> >> Chris >> >> >> On 3 Jul 2012, at 12:18, Garth Humphreys wrote: >> >>> I prefer not to have to take my fingers off the home keys. It is not so >>> much with the arrow keys that I would want to use > the caps lock key but with the other vo commands. I can't help think that the > caps lock key is a complete waste of prime > keyboard real-estate, if you know what I mean. It is much more efficient to > my way of thinking to just move your little > finger to the caps lock key as compared to either removing your left or right > hand from it's home keys to press the current > VO modifiers. >>> >>> Garth >>> iblindtech.com >>> >>> On 03/07/2012, at 8:39 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>> >>>> Well with any luck Apple may head in this direction, as they appear to >>>> have got the message with iOS 6 that zoom and > voice over at the same time would be beneficial. If it was improved and > there were better contrast colour schemes, I may > consider using it myself. I sometimes fire up ZoomText on my work PC when > using JAWS to sometimes find that button within a > web page that JAWS can't see or a dialog window that JAWS refuses to read. >>>> >>>> So where would you see using the caps lock over using quick nav? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> On 3 Jul 2012, at 10:31, Garth Humphreys wrote: >>>> >>>>> There are a few bugs when zoomed to high levels, i.e., more than 14X or >>>>> so. If you have VO running and zoom set to > follow the keyboard focus you will find that the command tab to switch > between apps becomes unreliable and navigating the > menu bar with the arrow keys is also unreliable. Also I don't like the way it > tracks and works with reading text. I'd like > better colour options and keyboard commands to adjust them, or at least for > the invert brightness keyboard command not to > conflict with a Voice Over command. You would think that Apple would be able > to sort out keyboard command conflicts between > two of their own accessibility utilities. I am sure there are work arounds > for some of these but a work around isn't the same > as fixing the problem. For example the menu navigation issue I mentioned does > not occur if you use swipes on the trackpad > with trackpad commander to navigate the menu. It only happens with the arrow > keys - strange but there you are. >>>>> >>>>> If I used it regularly I would probably come across more of the issues. >>>>> It really doesn't seem to me that apple intended > the two utilities to work together or at least that this was an edge case. It > would seem to me that they expected people to > use either option exclusively and if so, they are probably right. Most people > probably do use one or the other. >>>>> >>>>> I'd also love to see the safari busy issue buried deep. >>>>> >>>>> The addition of the ability to set the caps lock key to act as the VO >>>>> modifier would also be great. >>>>> >>>>> Garth >>>>> iblindtech.com >>>>> On 03/07/2012, at 6:48 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> What improvements would you like fixed in particular when it comes to >>>>>> zoom? >>>>>> On 3 Jul 2012, at 09:44, Garth Humphreys wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd love to see some improvements to the way VO works with Zoom and >>>>>>> just some improvements to Zoom in general. I > mostly don't use Zoom on my Mac but this only because it is so poor when > compared to things like ZoomText in the windows > world. It is probably great if you don't need to use Voice Over or if you > only need a little enlargement but it falls > completely short for me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Garth >>>>>>> iblindtech.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 03/07/2012, at 6:26 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Riccardo, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Actually that is what I was hinting at to be honest, as i feel the >>>>>>>> method of selecting text within Safari is rather > sloppy. You can also navigate by line within iOS, so hoped that feature > would come across to OS X. Navigating by line is > also useful when trying to read pages that have been styled into columns via > CSS instead of a table. This can be done in > JAWS quite nicely. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>> On 3 Jul 2012, at 00:11, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I doubt you will see the reading by line with the down arrow. That >>>>>>>>> would radically change the way VO navigates the > web, and I'm not sure it would be for the better. It would be selecting text > easier though. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>>>>>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>>>>>>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>>>>>>>> www.appletothecore.info >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Chris Moore <apple.geek.ch...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hmmm I remember a while back putting a list of 15 improvements. I >>>>>>>>>> can't remember them all now, so perhaps I have > just learnt to live without them. I did report them to Apple though as bugs > and feature enhancements. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The VoiceOver busy is the biggest annoyance which is caused by the >>>>>>>>>> pathetic slow buffering system voice over uses. > So I would like to see that rewritten from the ground up. There are a few > random performance bugs that happen now and then > which require me to switch voice over off then back on again. So overall > performance could do with being improved. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would also like to know what web page I am looking at when >>>>>>>>>> switching between tabs, being told that is an HTML > page is not exactly helpful. I would also like to navigate line by line just > by pressing the down arrow or up key. VO still > needs a bit of work when reporting how many HMTL elements are on a web page, > some windows screen readers seem to find more > tables and headings than VO, especially in the buggy rotor. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would like the ability to edit form fields in a PDF with Preview, >>>>>>>>>> but I believe this is coming in the next > Mountain Lion release (according to Apple's website). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would appreciate MIDI event editing in GarageBand, and a huge >>>>>>>>>> update to iWork. There just is not enough > accessible productive software on the Mac. There is more to using a Mac than > just Skype and Mail surely? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Not sure if that bug still exists when using the real speak voices >>>>>>>>>> where the pitch used to shift up and down > randomly. I stopped using those voices as it became too annoying. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would also like the ability to edit voice over's dictionary. For >>>>>>>>>> example if you type third as in the number 3 > followed by the letters r and d, you get 3rd (three road), surely this should > be a third? So I think the ability to edit > some of VO's assumptions would be nice, or maybe VO should grow up and become > a tad more intelligent. I would like more > control over how VO reads out numbers too. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Maybe developers should also be given the option to name what VO >>>>>>>>>> calls an HTML area, as something else? For > example when using adium the chat window is called an HTML area, am sure a > chat window or conversation window would be more > meaningful. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Last but not least, I find VO a bit slow when first entering the >>>>>>>>>> iTunes store. The page takes a while to render. > Well actually visually it does not, but VO seems to think it does. Actually > come to mention it when VO says something is > busy, a sighted person can still move the mouse and perform the action they > require, it is just VO's buffer which is busy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I spotted another bug today too. When ordering a smart case for my >>>>>>>>>> iPad, VO was unable to read out the colour > options. When trying to select a colour, VO simply said "space radio button" > for each of the 6 colours. The work around > seemed to be select a colour, go back to the top of the screen and read out > the description to see if the default green had > changed. Or look in the basket and hope to god you have not selected pink. > I eventually performed this task via the Apple > Store app on my iPhone which performed perfectly. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>> On 2 Jul 2012, at 19:16, Daniel McGee wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, a while ago on this list I saw someone mention that they >>>>>>>>>>> would like so and so bug to be fixed in Mountain > Lion. >>>>>>>>>>> I would just really like to start a discussion on if there are not >>>>>>>>>>> many enhancements to Voiceover in the next OS, > then what bugs would you like fixed and hope Apple has done there job with it. >>>>>>>>>>> I'll go 1st. >>>>>>>>>>> For me its safari. two things for me. >>>>>>>>>>> 1. Now and then when I go back a page with CMD left bracket >>>>>>>>>>> Voiceover doesn't announce my list of headings or > links that I have set in VO utility. >>>>>>>>>>> 2. continuing this previous page thing, because I don't always know >>>>>>>>>>> when the page is fully loaded when going back, > I get the lovely "Voiceover Busy!" Not! >>>>>>>>>>> This is using Lion V7.4 and Safari 5.1.7 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So what are yours? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I hope this will become an interesting topic because I'm interested >>>>>>>>>>> to see what people can come up with and I'm > sure there will be some good ones! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So everyone, the dance floor is yours! 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