Hi Kawal,

I think assuming someone disagrees with a persons views because they think they 
are better are smarter is pretty far out there.  I'm sure if you were on a jaws 
list, windows list, etc, you would find similar opposition to comments 
criticizing the subject matter the list was meant to cover.  Even fair, 
accurate criticism.  for example, the main subject of this thread, the 
selection of text in Safari.  The original poster made a valid point, and 
shined light on a bug.  That is not what I questioned.  And I honestly can't 
recall "attacking" anyone on this list.  If there is something I don't like, or 
a bug I've found, I'll post about that just as quickly probably more so than, a 
feature I like and that works perfectly.  But if I disagree with a personal 
opinion someone posts by their own free will, I don't see why I should just 
keep my thoughts to myself and hit my delete key.  

For me at least, its not a question of thinking I'm smarter.  Its me 
disagreeing and making my opinion known, just like the poster I replied to made 
their feelings known.  I think if someone doesn't want there opinion 
challenged, they shouldn't post opinions.  Just stick to facts and they 
wouldn't have such issues on forums like this.

Thanks.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Aug 12, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kawa...@me.com> wrote:

> That's because people like to think they are better and smarter and yes on 
> this list, if you attack Apple, you get a mouth full.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 12 Aug 2012, at 05:52 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Geez, anytime anyone on this list criticizes Apple, they get attacked
>> personally. it's not being pesimistic it's being a realist. While I do
>> appreciate you responding, calling me pesimistic doesn't really help
>> solve the problem
>> 
>> On Aug 12, 11:58 am, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I don't think your doing anything wrong.  I think focus just gets lost 
>>> sometimes.  If you haven't, you might try toggling Voiceover on/off.  I 
>>> have seen this behavior once or twice.  For the most part though, its 
>>> worked pretty well.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecorewww.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On Aug 12, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>>> Trying to copy some text in safari and have run in to some issues, not
>>>> sure what I am doing wrong, and it is probably a setting, so wanted to
>>>> see if anyone knew. It is weird as at first this was working, but it
>>>> doesn't seem like the cursor is following VO and I have checked my
>>>> settings in F8 and have toggled them all on and off, but nothing
>>>> changed. When I go down in to the middle of a paragraph and wanted to
>>>> select a certain line, the cursor doesn't seem to follow voiceover and
>>>> seems to be selecting a few lines earlier. Here is what I am doing. I
>>>> first interact with the text, then read it word by word with VO right
>>>> arrow. I get to the insertion point where I want to start selecting
>>>> text, and click Command shift right arrow, but it starts selecting
>>>> text somewhere else on the page, not sure what I am doing wrong here,
>>>> or if I have a setting set incorrectly. I have tried this selecting
>>>> text with Quick Nav on and off, and even tried using the trackpad to
>>>> select text, but again it was selecting the wrong area. Any help would
>>>> be greatly appreciated. Thanks
>>> 
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