Hi Maria,

Hopefully, when you turned TrackPad Commander off, you didn't move position 
when you use the rotor gesture.  If you use Mouse Keys to click, there's an 
option you can check to ignore built-in trackpad when mouse keys are being 
used. Also, presumably you can also check position on the elements with 
keyboard and navigation shortcuts, and route your mouse cursor to your 
VoiceOver cursor with VO+Command+F5. Finally, there are shortcuts like VO+F5 to 
describe what is under the mouse that you could set up custom gestures for.

HTH. Cheers,

Esther

On 29 Jul 2013, at 11:13, Maria and Joe Chapman wrote:

> HI.  when you turn track pad commander off how do you figure out where you 
> are?  thanks 
> Blessings!
> maria and Joe chapman
> Email, iMessage & fb: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
> twitter: bubbygirl
> 
> 
> 
> On 30/07/2013, at 7:06 AM, Teresa Cochran <vegaspipistre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Clickable elements can be very tricky, depending on how the web designer has 
>> implemented Javascript. For example, on the concertwindow.com site, There 
>> are several elements on the front page that rarely do anything when clicked. 
>> I find that i have to try various methods on different sites, including 
>> VO-shift-space, turn on mouse keys and do a num-pad-5, or use the trackpad. 
>> Sometimes just VO-space works. The nice thing about mouse keys is that they 
>> are actual mouse clicks and are not dependent on VO. Neither is the trackpad 
>> when trackpad commander is turned off.
>> 
>> HtH,
>> Teresa
>> On Jul 29, 2013, at 1:42 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman <bubbygirl1...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> HI.  try routing the mouse to the vo cursor with vo command f 5 and doing a 
>>> vo shift space twice to double click the mouse.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Maria and Joe Chapman
>>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 30/07/2013, at 6:37 AM, Edward Green <ergreen1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Apologies if this seems like a silly question, but if Voiceover announces 
>>>> that something is clickable on a web page, in OSX how do I click/activate 
>>>> it? I've tried VO space as well as return, but haven't had any joy.
>>>> 
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Ed
>>>> 

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