I seem to remember there being an "empty trash" option in gmail when you are on 
the web site which will clear the trash folder.  I also thought that when I did 
shift-command-delete from apple mail that it emptied the trash--while using 
iMap.  Maybe wrong about that.
Jim

On Feb 14, 2014, at 2:16 AM, eric oyen <eric.o...@gmail.com> wrote:

> hmmm. Every time I have tried to permanently delete something from GMAIL, it 
> always comes back (my trash folder has well over 10,000 entries in it right 
> now). I use imap here with mail.app so that my emails that I want aren't 
> stored locally.
> 
> How do you get gmail to permanently delete something and actually not have it 
> remain stored in all mail )or anywhere else) without having to use the web 
> interface?
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Feb 14, 2014, at 12:09 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
> 
>> No unfortunately I permanently deleted them from the gmail. They should be 
>> in all mail but are gone. I didn't delete anything from all mail just 
>> permanently deleted my sent and trash folders. Praying that a Time Machine 
>> restore might still have them, as they should but can't figure out time 
>> machine.
>> On Feb 14, 2014, at 2:05 AM, eric oyen <eric.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> they are probably either still in all mail or over in trash. they can be 
>>> moved from folder to folder pretty easily. So long as it hasn't been 30 
>>> days since you last deleted anything, they should still be there.
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 
>>> On Feb 13, 2014, at 11:24 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Oh God, I think I just realized why my messages are missing in the folders 
>>>> where I had everything labeled/archived. I deleted permanently in gmail 
>>>> all my sent messages as there was 10,000 and I am always emailing myself 
>>>> stuff and then apply a label and put the email in the proper folder. Phone 
>>>> numbers account log ins. Am I assuming correctly that the deleting of the 
>>>> sent mail folder also overrode the label and folder I had moved the 
>>>> message in to? If this is the case I am totally screwed as I had a ton of 
>>>> stuff saved. If this is the case then this gmail problem with Mavericks 
>>>> totally screwed me. Not sure why an email that I moved to folder a placed 
>>>> a label on it would only be in the sent mail folder, you would think 
>>>> placing a label on it or archiving it to a folder in gmail whatever they 
>>>> want to call it would take it out of the sent mail folder. Can someone let 
>>>> me know if I totally screwed myself by deleting the thousands of messages 
>>>> in the sent mail folder. I hope I am wrong, but considering I checked the 
>>>> gmail app on the iPhone and the messages I labeled and archived are gone 
>>>> from there to, I think I screwed myself.
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