On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 02:07:52PM +0100, Anne Nicolas wrote: > Le 08/02/2013 13:14, Olav Vitters a écrit : > >On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 10:31:42AM +0000, Colin Guthrie wrote: > >> Q) Will we make persistent disk-based journals optional? > >> Yes: Makes it harder to ask a consistent question to extract debug. > >> No: Some people will moan. > > > >It is either persistent logging or logging in memory right? I assume > >people won't understand that it'll log anyways, just in memory. So no > >point in giving an option that does not do what people might expect. > > > > Just one point about this. It was said during meeting that having > journalctl by default could break some other software like fail2ban. > This should be checked.
Some software relies on /var/log/messages and as such syslog. Journal does not break anything. But if you then remove syslog, then result is that such things will break. Same for gnome-system-log. IMO we should fix that software which relies on /var/log/messages (before 3 and if found afterwards, provide updates). For unmaintained software, deal with it as any other. /var/log/messages usually contains this weeks log messages. It is pretty trivial to replace that with the output of journalctl. -- Regards, Olav