'Twas brillig, and Pascal Terjan at 07/02/13 13:35 did gyre and gimble: > On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Colin Guthrie <mag...@colin.guthr.ie> wrote: >> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 07/02/13 12:20 did gyre and gimble: >>> Le 07/02/2013 12:40, AL13N a écrit : >>>>> 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 06/02/13 18:28 did gyre and gimble: >>>> [...] >>>>> What I guess we could to to avoid putting rsyslog on the physical media >>>>> would be to put a versioned conflicts in the main systemd package with >>>>> rsyslog and syslog-ng. Thus the old packages should be removed when >>>>> upgrading (AIUI). >>>> >>>> not a really good idea imho, i have a server which uses rsyslog for >>>> network remote syslogging... so upgrading that would break this. >>> Indeed. >>> >>> Just because journal is installed (no choice here) shouldn't prevent to >>> install a real syslog-daemon. I'd rather introduce another virtual >>> package, such as syslog-daemon-minimal (or anything else), and lower the >>> dependencies of basesystem to just require this last one. >> >> I'm not really sure what that gains... i.e. that's that's effectively >> what we have right now with the current provides of syslog-daemon via >> systemd itself. >> >> Arguably the semantics are wrong... e.g. it should really be called >> "system-logger" or something more generic. >> >> But as things stand you no longer *need* to install rsyslog et al - it's >> just an option. And as things stand right now, if rsyslog is included in >> the media it will be upgraded happily and keep on running. > > I was wondering if some packages(like fail2ban) may want to require a > traditional syslog
https://github.com/fail2ban/fail2ban/pull/82 ;) But yes, that's a valid argument. Is anyone against the name "system-logger"? If so I'll update things accordingly. Other name suggestions welcome. Col -- Colin Guthrie colin(at)mageia.org http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http://www.pulseaudio.org/ Trac Hacker http://trac.edgewall.org/
