On Wed, 2020-08-26 at 23:52 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users writes:
> 
>  > A couple of days ago, over on the MAILOP mailinglist, there was a
>  > long thread titled 'Mailman confirmation email denial of service'.
> 
> *sigh* The price of success.  Of course this can be done with any
> automated service that accepts an email address as an identity, eg,
> Wordpress blog comment sections.
> 
>  > Recently, a kind person submitted a patch [1] to Mailman for
>  > hCAPTCHA an alternative to ReCAPTCHA.  In the discussion of that
>  > patch, Mark has stated that he is not interested in any more
>  > features for Mailman 2.x.
> 
> [...]
> 
>  > So, I have volunteered to spearhead an effort to add one or two
>  > more people to the Mailman Coders group[2] in order to vet and
>  > approve new features that continue the long tradition of providing
>  > value to Mailman 2.x.  Who's with me on this?
> 
> In the following I'm expressing personal opinions and suggestions,
> which should not be taken as representing the position of the Mailman
> Project.
> 
> I'm not willing to join the group.  I've thrown my lot in with Mailman
> 3, and don't have energy to spare for new development on Mailman 2.
> However, if I can contribute support to Mailman 2 users, I'll do that.
> I don't object to people making efforts to maintain Mailman 2, nor do
> I begrudge sharing Mailman resources (including the mailing lists and
> official repos) -- our hosts are quite elastic about the resources we
> use, it's no cost to us.  On the contrary, aside from the intrinsic
> value to Mailman 2 users, it's an interesting social experiment.
> There was a lot of grumbling about maintaining Python 2, but nothing
> ever came of it.  I'd like to see if you can make this work, and I'll
> be rooting for your success.
> 
> I (again, this is me, I am not speaking for the team) would appreciate
> it if you could come up with team nickname or motto to express that
> you're not the same as the core project (at least for now).  And you
> probably don't want to overpromise.  "Classic Mailman Volunteer Fire
> Dept" is the best I can think of offhand.[1]

Thanks Stephen.  I don't think there is a need for a new name, a new
repo, or a new team.  Mailman 2.x will be in distro repos for at least
the next 5 years, so there's plenty of life left in it (and Python 2
too).  Look, we've known about the EOL of Python2 for 2 years now, and
in that time many new features have been added to Mailman 2.x by people
in the Mailman project.  To say that we need a different group now is
nonsense, we just need members in the Mailman group who are willing to
continue the work that has been done over the past several years
(including recent years) by Mark.

I hate to say this, but I'm sensing an exclusivity in your and Mark's
comments.  Is Mailman a open source project or is it an exclusive club?

-Jim P.

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