Greetings,

* Ángel via mailop (mailop@mailop.org) wrote:
> On 2020-08-07 at 20:24 +0200, Renaud Allard via mailop wrote:
> > On 05/08/2020 20:16, Large Hadron Collider via mailop wrote:
> > > you know, Mr Allard, it appears that you sent this message to the list at 
> > > least 5 times...
> > 
> > Actually, I only sent it once. From my logs, it was delivered on the 5th 
> > once. It might be some processing problem at mailop because I only 
> > received it today (once) like multiple other mails from mailop.
> 
> It's fun that we got multiple copies on *different* messages. In my case,
> it was on the ones from Umut Alemdar 
> (am6pr08mb5158c5d0677d418f254e7a16db...@am6pr08mb5158.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com),
> Lily Crowley 
> (cabpqdsmwn_r9q9mmzkuizfgfmnh0fcbdvtigtc8codcm6lz...@mail.gmail.com),
> Stephen Frost (20200805132959.gd12...@tamriel.snowman.net), Hans-Martin
> Mosner (173bec91138.2771.03b21a1406dc7ce0e2b3b53a52883...@heeg.de) and
> Otto J. Makela mails (b05c8075-fbf9-1c87-3322-2b5eb7a94...@iki.fi). I
> received 38 copies of each (except Stephen's which were 39).

That's certainly interesting- my logs pretty clearly show that
20200805132959.gd12...@tamriel.snowman.net was delivered just once, and
on the first try to mx0.nosignal.org:

Aug  5 09:29:59 tamriel postfix/pickup[4936]: 8EDAD5F79F: uid=1000 from=<sfrost>
Aug  5 09:29:59 tamriel postfix/cleanup[5038]: 8EDAD5F79F: 
message-id=<20200805132959.gd12...@tamriel.snowman.net>
Aug  5 09:29:59 tamriel postfix/qmgr[2185]: 8EDAD5F79F: 
from=<sfr...@tamriel.snowman.net>, size=1936, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Aug  5 09:30:22 tamriel postfix/smtp[5086]: 8EDAD5F79F: to=<mailop@mailop.org>, 
relay=mx0.nosignal.org[2001:41c8:51:83:feff:ff:fe00:a0b]:25, delay=23, 
delays=0.08/0.01/0.82/22, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 OK id=1k3JV7-00069W-F7)

I then received it, again, just once:

Aug  5 09:36:17 tamriel postfix/smtpd[3354]: connect from 
chilli.nosignal.org[2001:41c8:51:83:feff:ff:fe00:a0b]
Aug  5 09:36:18 tamriel postfix/smtpd[3354]: 4FD4A5F7A0: 
client=chilli.nosignal.org[2001:41c8:51:83:feff:ff:fe00:a0b]
Aug  5 09:36:19 tamriel postfix/cleanup[5816]: 4FD4A5F7A0: 
message-id=<20200805132959.gd12...@tamriel.snowman.net>
Aug  5 09:36:22 tamriel postfix/local[5817]: 4FD4A5F7A0: 
to=<sfr...@snowman.net>, relay=local, delay=4.4, delays=2.9/0/0/1.5, dsn=2.0.0, 
status=sent (delivered to command: procmail -a "$EXTENSION")
Aug  5 09:36:22 tamriel postfix/qmgr[2185]: 4FD4A5F7A0: removed

However, I've seen similar symptoms to what's being described here
previously, but in the case I saw it before where there were multiple
deliveries of the same mail, the issue was that the receiving side would
accept the mail but the sending side got back some kind of error that
indicated there was a failure, and therefore it kept the message in the
queue and retried.  This is particularly possible if there's tight
timeouts involved- if chilli.nosignal.org had a 10s timeout on sending
and the receiving side sat and contemplated the message (after having
received it) for >10s before actually acknowleding the message as
accepted, that's exactly the behavior you'd see.

Might be interesting to see if you can spot that in your logs as having,
perhaps, happened, where there was a long delay between the connection
from chilli.nosignal.org and the message being accepted and if there was
any indication in the logs that there was a failure to acknowledge back
to chilli.nosignal.org that the message had been received.

Thanks,

Stephen

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