Thanks to Al for his (as usual!) useful thoughts. I was cheekily wondering whether the original authors of the BATV Internet Draft, John Levine, Dave Crocker and Tony Finch (I don't think Tony is subscribed to mailop), might have any views on the probity of its use in today's times.
This question is particularly in the context of using BATV for normal (ie person to person, non bulk) outgoing messages. Best wishes, Matthew ------ >From: Al Iverson via mailop <mailop@mailop.org> >To: mailop@mailop.org >Cc: >Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 10:07:24 -0500 >Subject: Re: [mailop] Bounce Address Tag Validation (BATV) versus Spam >Filtering >I don't know that non-matching return path/from are something you >truly have to solve for. At the domain level, it's addressed by DMARC. >At the exact email address level, any mailing list software, ESP or >CRM tool that uses VERP to help with bounce processing is going to >have a mismatched return-path/envelope sender. >IMHO, hasn't really been a good spam sign for a good long time. > >Cheers, >Al > >On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 9:22 AM Matthew Richardson via mailop ><mailop@mailop.org> wrote: >> >> I have an issue with email from one domain being repeatedly mis-classified >> as spam by assorted receivers, including Messagelabs. >> >> Looking at their outgoing email, I notice that it uses BATV, the Internet >> Draft https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-levine-smtp-batv having >> been written by folks who frequent these part. >> >> Whereas the "From:" header would read:- >> From: First Last <first.l...@example.com> >> >> the envelope address would read:- >> btv1==278381d6d8b==first.l...@example.com >> >> My understanding is that this BATVing is being undertaken by a Barracuda >> appliance through which outgoing email is routed. >> >> Would folks anticipate that doing this would somehow make outgoing email >> look more spammy than with a matching envelope address. >> >> -- >> Best wishes, >> Matthew >> _______________________________________________ >> mailop mailing list >> mailop@mailop.org >> https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop _______________________________________________ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
