<plonk> Charles. Le 4 oct. 2012 19:16, "Tom Davies" <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk> a écrit :
> Hi :) > When the new 3.5.7 is released is that going to be sold as "contains tons > more newer features and greater compatibility with other formats"? > Regards from > Tom :) > > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P <webmas...@krackedpress.com> > >To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org > >Sent: Thursday, 4 October 2012, 14:41 > >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Stable? Seriously?? Fw: > [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.6.2 > > > > > >The key would be to ask yourself which version would you give your local > >government office, or largest business in your community, to use. Would > >you give them 3.5.6 or the brand new 3.6.2 version? > > > >Even our own Release Plan page tells us that ".2 or .3 Early adopters" > >on the graph. > > > >Sure, there are many improvements in the latest 3.6.x line, but would > >you stake the "company's" rep. on it? Which current version has the > >least issues to deal with? Which version has had the most work done to > >fix the bugs and other issues? Which version is for "critical > >applications"? Those are the things that must be answered. > > > >Next week 3.5.7 comes out, which is the last of that line. 3.6.3 comes > >out the first week of November and 3.6.4 come out the first week of > >December. > > > >I think the real problem is how we may assume that people will always > >want to try 3.6.x line while it still is in an "early adopter" stage. > >The download page seems to assume that. Many of us would lake to see > >that change. > > > >As for Press Releases announcing the newest version of the 3.6.x line, > >it is a good thing. The only thing we should state somewhere is that > >there is another line for the "critical application user" if they do not > >want to use the "more cutting edge" line. > > > >We have two lines and should be proud of that concept. If not, then we > >should drop the two line development cycle. > > > >I run 3.5.6 and will be moving to 3.5.7, BUT I am waiting till 3.6.4 or > >3.6.5 before I make the move over to the 3.6.x line for my default > >desktop. I may try it on one of my laptops, but not the desktop[s]. > > > >Was that not the reason for the two lines? You run the previous line > >till the newest one gets to the point where it is ready for "all users" > >and their "critical applications"? That is one reason why I still run > >the previous line till the newest one gets to the ".4" or ".5" version. > >That is the way the development cycle was set up. > > > > > >On 10/04/2012 08:54 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > >> Public announcements are obviously marketing. Someone repeatedly > >> complaining that software comes with bugs on the marketing list is not > >> related to marketing. > >> > >> Charles. > >> Le 4 oct. 2012 14:48, "Tom Davies" <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk> a écrit : > >> > >>> Hi :) > >>> Ahh, sorry. I didn't realise that public announcements and press > releases > >>> have nothing to do with marketing. > >>> Apols and regards from > >>> Tom :) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> From: Charles-H. Schulz <charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> > >>>> To: "marketing@global.libreoffice.org" < > marketing@global.libreoffice.org> > >>>> Sent: Thursday, 4 October 2012, 13:30 > >>>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Stable? Seriously?? Fw: > >>> [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.6.2 > >>>> Tom, > >>>> > >>>> The points you are making are repeated at each release. I cannot > really > >>>> help if you refuse to understand how we work or how software > development > >>>> works. But as we are on the marketing list we need to work on > marketing > >>> and > >>>> not lose our time with recurring rants that are not related to > marketing. > >>>> > >>>> We must discipline ourselves if we are on this list and post on it: we > >>> work > >>>> on marketing and stay focused on it. > >>>> > >>>> Thank you for your understanding. > >>>> > >>>> Charles. > >>>> > >>>> Charles. > >>>> Le 4 oct. 2012 14:01, "Tom Davies" <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk> a écrit > : > >>>> > >>>>> Hi :) > >>>>> Again. The only advantage listed for the new release in the newest > >>> branch > >>>>> of LO is that it's "more stable". What is it more stable than? Is > it > >>> more > >>>>> stable than the 3.5.6? > >>>>> > >>>>> Putting anything mentioning bug-fixes and possible regressions just > >>> makes > >>>>> people wonder what new bugs and new regressions are likely to appear > in > >>>>> this new release. Most profitable software companies avoid > mentioning > >>> the > >>>>> possibility that their new software might be buggy and have new > >>> regressions > >>>>> despite the fact we know that both are likely. I think we should > avoid > >>>>> mentioning it too until they become more open and honest about the > >>>>> possibility. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Possibly marginally better to say "latest" rather than "last" unless > you > >>>>> include a date. "Last" sounds fairly finally and hints that it > >>> happened a > >>>>> long time ago. I don't know why. Both really mean roughly the same > >>> thing > >>>>> if you look them up in a dictionary. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Again there are tons of advantages to the newest branch but > stability is > >>>>> not one of them. If people want stability then they are better off > >>> chosing > >>>>> the latest release in the older branch. If they want, for example, > >>> better > >>>>> compatibility with "other" formats and programs (ie such as MS's) > then > >>>>> 3.6.x is probably best. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Please. Can we have those circular or just plain wrong arguments > again > >>>>> about > >>>>> 1. "I haven't noticed any bugs so far and few people have reported > >>>>> bugs". Therefore no bugs really exist because things don't exist > until > >>>>> after they have been discovered. For example, the water on Mars > didn't > >>>>> exist until there were photos of it. > >>>>> > >>>>> 2. "Any bugs found need to be reported against the earliest version > of > >>>>> LO/OOo they can be found in." > >>>>> > >>>>> 3. Rinse and repeat. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> 1. "It must be more stable. It's newer." Therefore it must be more > >>>>> stable. > >>>>> > >>>>> 2. "We must expect new branches to have more bugs as a result of > >>> having > >>>>> much greater functionality" > >>>>> 3. "Older branches focus on bug-fixes and therefore tend to have > less > >>> new > >>>>> added functionality" > >>>>> > >>>>> 4. Therefore "the only thing we can say about new branches is that > they > >>>>> are more stable." > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> 1. "All software has bugs." [Perhaps implying that LO is no more > >>> stable > >>>>> than java] > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards from > >>>>> Tom :) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Forwarded Message ----- > >>>>>> From: Italo Vignoli <italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org> > >>>>>> To: annou...@documentfoundation.org > >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 4 October 2012, 12:05 > >>>>>> Subject: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces > LibreOffice > >>>>> 3.6.2 > >>>>>> Berlin, October 4, 2012 - The Document Foundation (TDF) announces > >>>>>> LibreOffice 3.6.2, for Windows, MacOS and Linux, solving bugs and > >>>>>> regressions and further improving the stability of the program for > >>>>>> corporate deployments. The best free office suite ever is quickly > >>>>>> becoming the de facto standard for migrations to free office suites, > >>>>>> thanks to the quickly growing feature set and the improved > >>>>>> interoperability with proprietary software. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The growing number of LibreOffice adoptions by private and public > >>>>>> enterprises is a demonstration of the improvements brought to the > >>> legacy > >>>>>> code by TDF, thanks to over 500 developers who are focusing on > >>> stability > >>>>>> and quality (in addition to new exciting features). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The last public administration to migrate has been the city of > >>> Limerick, > >>>>>> Ireland's third largest city, where LibreOffice is now used on all > 450 > >>>>>> desktops in use at the city's six main locations including the three > >>>>>> public libraries, the fire department, the municipal museum and the > >>> City > >>>>>> Gallery of Art. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The community behind LibreOffice will gather in Berlin for the > second > >>>>>> LiboCon from October 17 to October 19. 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