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Louis Proyect wrote on March 17: On May 9, 1916, there appeared, in Berner Tagwacht, the organ of the Zimmerwald group, including some of the Leftists, an article on the Irish rebellion entitled "Their Song is Over" and signed with the initials K.R. [Karl Radek]. It described the Irish rebellion as being nothing more nor less than a "putsch", for, as the author argued, "the Irish question was an agrarian one", the peasants had been pacified by reforms, and the nationalist movement remained only a "purely urban, petty-bourgeois movement, which, notwithstanding the sensation it caused, had not much social backing..." To imagine that social revolution is conceivable without revolts by small nations in the colonies and in Europe, without revolutionary outbursts by a section of the petty bourgeoisie WITHOUT ALL ITS PREJUDICES [italics in original], without a movement of the politically non-conscious proletarian and semi-proletarian masses against oppression by the landowners, the church, and the monarchy, against national oppression, etc.--to imagine all this is to REPUDIATE SOCIAL REVOLUTION. So one army lines up in one place and says, "We are for socialism", and another, somewhere else and says, "We are for imperialism", and that will be a social revolution! Only those who hold such a ridiculously pedantic view would vilify the Irish rebellion by calling it a "putsch". V.I. Lenin, on the Easter Rebellion ***************************************** Though apposite to the day of writing, your Lenin citation about the Easter Rising is based upon a completely misconceived hiostorical comparison, as was your earlier Lenin quote concerning the Gapon movement of Bloody Sunday, 1905. Despite the fact that it may have been manipulated by the Okhrana, the Gapon protest was an attempt by an incipient workers movement to gain redress for the grievances of the workers and the people. The Dublin Rising was an attempt by a band of rebels of a small oppressed nation to strike a blow for national emancipation from the world's leading colonial power. However partial, illusory or narrow the consciusness of the people who led these struggles, they contained at their core a purpose that Marxists also endorse and hence could participate support and participate in in one way or another.. The Maidan movement is a dirrerent story. The people participating in it may have been justly aggrieved by the corruption and brutality of the Yanukovych regime, but they also had a very definite idea about the solution: throwing in their lot with one of the competing imperialist camps, which seeks to open the country's doors to foreign investment, deepen capitalist exploitation and debt, and bring it into a military alliance. To be true to their own convictions, Marxists in Kiev, unlike in 1905 or 1916, would have to argue not only against the methods, leadership and illusions of the movement, but against its very aims. It is impossible to participate on this basis. Most political activists in Ukraine are, if not fascists, hardcore anti-communists, who tend to swallow whole Western propaganda about the virtues of democratic capitalism. Their consciousness is based mainly (though not entirely) on their bitter experiences with Stalinism. But to understand why they think this way shouldn't blind us to the extremely baneful consequences that acting on the basis of their beliefs entail. Pro-capitalist and pro-imperialist politics lead such movements to place themselves at the disposal of the actual capitalists and imperialists who are waiting in the wings to take advantage of the situation. Jim a purpose that Marxists also endorse and hence could participate support and participate in in one way or another.. The Maidan movement is a dirrerent story. The people participating in it may have been justly aggrieved by the corruption and brutality of the Yanukovych regime, but they also had a very definite idea about the solution: throwing in their lot with one of the competing imperialist camps, which seeks to open the country's doors to foreign investment, deepen capitalist exploitation and debt, and bring it into a military alliance. To be true to their own convictions, Marxists in Kiev, unlike in 1905 or 1916, would have to argue not only against the methods, leadership and illusions of the movement, but against its very aims. It is impossible to participate on this basis. Most political activists in Ukraine are, if not fascists, hardcore anti-communists, who tend to swallow whole Western propaganda about the virtues of democratic capitalism. Their consciousness is based mainly (though not entirely) on their bitter experiences with Stalinism. But to understand why they think this way shouldn't blind us to the extremely baneful consequences that acting on the basis of their beliefs entail. Pro-capitalist and pro-imperialist politics lead such movements to place themselves at the disposal of the actual capitalists and imperialists who are waiting in the wings to take advantage of the situation. 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