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Proyect quotes Anis & writes: "One view describes the political intervention of the U.S. and other NATO countries in favour of regime change as playing a decisive role. So much so that the mass protests against the Yanukovych government are denied any popular and social legitimacy. Russia?s role in events is viewed uncritically." Assuming that Gandall shares this "view", I'd say that he is something of a tankie. Part of the problem is that Gandall-after the fashion of our departed Fidelista ambassadors--never writes anything beyond a 3 or 4 sentence preface to an Economist, Washington Post or some other newspaper or magazine. Quite lazy. Tch-tch. If he took the trouble to sit down and write a 2500 word article as I tend to do and Annis tends to do, we'd have a more fruitful debate. Maybe he just doesn't care enough to compose his thoughts. And this is a guy who worked for 30 years in the education department of a Canadian union. No wonder the trade unions are in such lousy shape. *************************************** Gandall's thoughts are far more composed and coherent than Proyect's. Perhaps the latter could use a lesson in the virtues of concision. And perhaps Louis, who dismisses all attempts to expose the hand of the US and EU in Kiev as denying agency to the "masses" of Maidan in favor of "geopolitical" explanations, would care to give us his take on the Russian-speaking "masses" of Donetsk. Do they possess any independent agency, or are they, as the State Department and Obama claim, mere pawns in Putin's territorial game? Can their actions, in other words, be explained mainly in terms of "geopolitics"? If not, why is their "mass movement" any less legitimate than that of Ukranian nationalists? ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com