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My point remains. One after another after another of these movements and/or individuals has gotten into power and either failed miserably or worse. Yet at the time they were struggling for power, 99.999% of the left completely rejected any sort of criticism of them, friendly or otherwise. Yet that same left refuses today to look back and say, "well, gee, maybe there was something they were doing wrong after all. Maybe we should reconsider our views of that time." As for Stalin Perez: I met him a couple of times and actually recorded an interview with him when I was being a "tourist" in Venezuela. I still remember the irony of being in a union hall with a big photo of Trotsky up on the wall and interviewing a leader of that union with that first name. John Reimann -- *“In politics, abstract terms conceal treachery.” *from "The Black Jacobins" by C. L. R. James Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com