You're right, of course. Abbas would be much more malleable than a Mandela or even a Mbeki. But such a move would involve the Zionists abandoning Zionism, ie. a "Jewish" state. The Afrikanner ruling class rejected the notion of a seperate Afrikaner state because they didn't want to be cut off from the South African market which they dominated. The issue of an interim voluntary federation of anti-Zionist Arabic- and Hebrew-speaking Palestinians as a way station to the declared goal of a unitary state is a much different question entirely.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Proyect" <l...@panix.com> To: "Marv Gandall" <marvgand...@videotron.ca> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [Marxism] self determination for oppressors > Marv Gandall wrote: >> It's not possible to conceive of a socialist revolution in >> Palestine/Israel >> which would not involve the participation of the Jewish masses, and if >> such >> were to come to pass, the question of a "Jewish state", especially in >> terms >> of what it has come to represent, would be moot. It's very unlikely that >> Hebrew-speaking revolutionaries, having shed their blood with >> Arabic-speaking Palestinians against the Zionists and the Zionist idea, >> would be asking, if anything, for more than the new state's support for >> the >> preservation of their language and culture. > > But the conflict is not about language and culture. It is about power, > land, wealth, etc. > > And, furthermore, what is so amazing about the Zionist project is its > inability to think outside the box. South Africa abandoned apartheid but > did nothing to attack the power, land, and wealth of the white minority. > A more clever Zionist leadership would abandon the racial basis of the > state and put the ineffable Abbas in charge of the government. Nothing > would change, however. > > But since the presence of religious zealots in the veins of Israeli > society prevents this, the inevitable outcome will be like Algeria no > matter how long it takes. The demographics favor this. > > > > ________________________________________________ > YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu > Set your options at: > http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/marvgandall%40videotron.ca ________________________________________________ YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
