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Greg replied: " I won't quibble with you over numbers. Let's leave that to the CIA bean counters. If you think the McCoy article was good, you should really check out his book, "The Politics of Heroin". It's meticulously documented. And his new book on the Philippines is excellent." And, while we're at it, I wonder if anyone can steer me to good source documenting the current Mexican war on its citizens; the role of the drug cartels; and any potential connections with the U.S. government or military? I have read quite a few accounts indicating the devastating effects of Mexican military repression of its citizens as it seems to pretend to counter the drug trade. I just wonder if there are any viable in-depth analyses. Thanks for the edifying interchange on the conspiracy website; there are "elaborators" that sometimes do get it right and it is instructive to keep reminding oneself to check the sources. Manuel> > Greg > > On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Jeff <meis...@xs4all.nl> wrote: > > > At 19:04 09/01/11 -0500, Greg McDonald wrote: > >>.... I note you picked a paragraph > >>from the second article, the one by McCoy, and quoted it out of > >>context, to make it appear that McCoy is somehow agnostic on CIA > >>involvement in Afghan heroin trafficking > > No not at all, that's a misinterpretation. I just grabbed that paragraph as > > a summary/conclusion of the article and contrasted it with the one from the > > conspiracy site. I'm sure McCoys article about this is accurate as it was > > in Vietnam. But the 85% claim was bullshit and you should have noted that > > when you first read it: how would someone come to such a numerical estimate > > anyway even if it were approximately true? > > > > But thanks for the McCoy article! > > - Jeff > > > >>from the same article, is much more damning: > >> > >>"To defeat the Taliban in the aftermath of 9/11, the CIA successfully > >>mobilized former warlords long active in the heroin trade to seize > >>towns and cities across eastern Afghanistan. In other words, the > >>Agency and its local allies created ideal conditions for reversing the > >>Taliban's opium ban and reviving the drug traffic. Only weeks after > >>the collapse of the Taliban, officials were reporting an outburst of > >>poppy planting in the heroin-heartlands of Helmand and Nangarhar. At a > >>Tokyo international donors' conference in January 2002, Hamid Karzai, > >>the new Prime Minister put in place by the Bush administration, issued > >>a pro forma ban on opium growing -- without any means of enforcing it > >>against the power of these resurgent local warlords." > >> > >>And of course it is not far-fetched to assume the CIA is involved in > >>transport, as McCoy states they were in Vietnam. So if you have read > >>his book on Vietnam, the CIA, heroin, and Air America, you would of > >>course find the article itself credible, which I did, and still do. > >> > >>Greg > >> > >> > >> > > ________________________________________________ > Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu > Set your options at: > http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/mtomas3%40hotmail.com ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
