Hello Marv: While there is truth in what you say, it is only a half -isn't it? I was "mis-educated" (!) to search for : i) The objective factor(s), and (ii) The subjective factors. (Which certainly for my part, I accept the version of Lenin as seen in a party). Surely - you would accept that both are required...? And John R is surely right to the extent that the controls on the class include mis-direction from trade union bureaucrats. But you are also right in the sense that 'there is a time, for every purpose under heaven'. I mean Lenin pointed out the *limited* but essential role of propaganda, for long periods.
There may be caveats at differing time, but both are needed for a move to a socialist movement - rather than a 'spontaneous' eruption of anger/disillusionment/weak attempts? What was the failure of the 'Occupy" movement to transcend a relatively short eruption of anger even if it was coupled with some manifestations of trying to organise - say via teach-ins/forums etc as the 'Occupation" "not-leaders"? What am I missing? Be Well, H -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#29040): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/29040 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/104479559/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: marxmail+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/8674936/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
