That's not so say that because the PRC was expansionist to the limits of the expansions of various dynasties through history, it is today territorially expansionist, and a threat to other countries beyond those historical regions peopled by other nationalities and cultures, like Vietnam, Laos, Thailand, Burma, Nepal, India, etc. I don't believe so myself. But I think by the definition of imperialism, China today must be seen as being the result of imperialist policies, which continue in the outer regions like Tibet, Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia.
On Fri, Sep 6, 2024 at 4:51 PM Dave Lindorff via groups.io <dlindorff= [email protected]> wrote: > The idea that China is not imperialist because it is not expanding is > ludicrous. It bergan expanded as soon as the Revolution took power in 1949, > sending troops into Tibet and later encouraging Han Chinese to do what > Israel has it's Jewish settlers do in the West Bank, taking land from > Teibetans and taking over Tibet politically, politically and > economically as well as militarily. The same thing is happening.now in > Xinjiang. Basically the PRC has claimed all the territory that was > occupied by several thousand years of Chinese emperors (or Manchurian or > Mongol emperors) including the Song and Tang dynasties in the south which > stretched Ur-China's borders further southward into Yunnan and Vietnam, and > then called all those regions part of historical China. Saying it is so > doesn't make it so, however. > > On Fri, Sep 6, 2024 at 1:40 PM Michael Meeropol via groups.io <mameerop= > [email protected]> wrote: > >> THis Trotsky point of view fits beautifully with W. A. Williams' idea of >> "open door" imperialism as propounded by the OPEN DOOR NOTES re China at >> the turn of the 20th century >> >> On Fri, Sep 6, 2024 at 10:20 AM Charles Rachlis via groups.io <Crachlis= >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> To all those who say China is not imperialist because it is not >>> expanding militaristically: >>> Replace China for the United States in the following paragraph written >>> in 1926 about the imperialist rise of the the USA. >>> >>> “From the power of the United States and the weakening of Europe flows >>> the inevitability of a new division of world forces, spheres of influence >>> and world markets. America must expand while Europe is forced to contract. >>> In precisely this consists the resultant of the basic economic processes >>> that are taking place in the capitalist world. The US reaches out into all >>> world channels and everywhere takes the offensive. She operates in a >>> strictly “pacifist” manner, that is, without the use of armed force as yet, >>> “without effusion of blood” as the Holy Inquisition said when burning >>> heretics alive. She expands peaceably because her adversaries, grinding >>> their teeth, are retreating step by step, before this new power, not daring >>> to risk an open clash.” >>> Leon Trotsky: Europe and America - 1 (1926) >>> <https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1926/02/europe.htm> >>> >>> Charles Rachlis >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#32070): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/32070 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/108305074/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/8674936/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
