> On Feb 10, 2025, at 4:29 PM, David Walters via groups.io
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> 1. YES, we need more energy. We need a LOT more energy in order to get OFF of
> fossil fuels, our common goal.
Do you think WE on this list have a common goal with THEY who produce energy
commodities? According to THEM, energy is needed for one thing only and that is
the production of commodities.
> George Monbiat, a Green writer in the UK, estimated Britain would need about
> 50% more energy than generated now to get off of fossil fuels. Additionally
> there are about 1.5 billion folks with NO electricity available at all, which
> is a major hindrance to economic development not to mention all sorts of
> issues with health care, education, etc. You write as if energy is a bad
> thing, not a good thing.
Don't you agree, David, that the crises with "health care, education, etc." are
not due to a shortage of energy? Very little of the energy that they create for
the tech industry and other commodities will trickle down for social welfare.
It seems like we have a big disagreement over what capitalism is.
>
> 2. "More poison..."? What poison? If you mean Spent Nuclear Fuel...there
> isn't that much of it. For the U.S. we have around 70,000 tons of this dense
> material. After 70 years of commercial nuclear operations ALL this High Level
> Waste wouldn't even fill up a COSTCO store. And, unlike the massive chemical
> pollution from producing solar panels and wind turbines...we can account for
> every gram of this material. Secondly, this "waste" is only waste if you
> waste it. It will become the feed stock for fueling advanced fast reactors as
> both the Russia, Indians, and Chinese are doing now. Lastly no one "dumps"
> this material over the land, not when the are in 60 ton stainless steel lined
> concrete casks. I am very much opposed to places like Yucca Mountain which
> was designed to permanently bury this very valuable resource.
It is not a manageable problem and hasn't been since the second world war. 80
years later, we have a toxic "sacrifice zone" by the most important waterway in
the Pacific Northwest. The Hanford Site in Washington State, located along the
Columbia River, remains a significant storage location for radioactive waste.
Established during World War II for plutonium production, Hanford has
accumulated approximately 56 million gallons of radioactive waste stored in 177
underground tanks. Some of these tanks have been reported to leak, posing
potential risks to the Columbia River.
https://ecology.wa.gov/waste-toxics/nuclear-waste/hanford-cleanup/leaking-tanks?utm_source=chatgpt.com
The effort to clean it up, decades later is still ongoing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanford_Tank_Waste_Treatment_and_Immobilization_Plant?utm_source=chatgpt.com.
>
...
> Indeed. A good use, IMO, of stranded/mothballed assets.
Who is going use these "stranded assets" and for what purposes?
> Perhaps you'd like to see more gas turbines built? The whole energy industry
> should be nationalized but we can't wait for a workers revolution
You assume that we can solve this problem without a revolution. Why assume
something like that? Why such faith in the rationality of the system that
created this crisis?
>From the standpoint of this list, calling for nuclear power to solve only the
>most obvious symptom of capitalism's ecology crisis is putting the cart before
>the horse.
Mark
> to get this accomplished. We need to unleash the world's greatest source of
> low carbon energy now, that can replace every MW of coal and gas generation
> on a 1 to 1 basis.
>
> David
>
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