First, to answer "Modulas" what you write is factually accurate. But the costs 
to extract uranium from seawater is about 10x what the current price-per-pound 
is, or even more. The article is a good one and both the Chinese and Japanese 
are working on this technology. So, technically, uranium is a renewable 
resource with with hundreds of thousands of tons of uranium in fresh water 
runoff into the ocean each year. There is one ton of uranium in each cubic km 
of ocean water. When one swims in the ocean we are swimming in a uranium soup.

Mark:

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> Do you think WE on this list have a common goal with THEY who produce
> energy commodities? According to THEM, energy is needed for one thing only
> and that is the production of commodities.
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> 

Yes...that is true and I noted that all of this takes place, be it investor 
owned utilities or state owned enterprises, in the context of commodity 
production. And...so we oppose subsidies to state owned mass transit systems 
since ALL of them were built to get workers to their place of work in order to 
further the production of commodities? Energy is what makes any material gains 
possible for the working class and our species more generally. It is like 
opposing advancements in computer technology because it...is for the 
"production of commodities". Are you making an argument at all? Is it Luddism 
(in the coloquial sense) that are advocating? I don't know about your Mark but 
I don't like black outs. We all grind to a halt. So YES, we really do need 
energy and a lot of it to advance our species. We prefer it under a wise use 
scenario under a socialist economy, of course. But arguing against energy is 
not a serious political position, IMO.

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> Don't you agree, David, that the crises with "health care, education,
> etc." are not due to a shortage of energy? Very little of the energy that
> they create for the tech industry and other commodities will trickle down
> for social welfare. It seems like we have a big disagreement over what
> capitalism is.
> 

Who even implied it "trickles down" Mark? It is about jobs (under capitalism OR 
socialism), maintaining civilization, maintaining "social welfare". Does the 
tech industry use energy? How about the health care industry? How about 
transportation? If we argue for expansion of these socially important 
industries then we argue for more, not less energy.

> 
> It is not a manageable problem and hasn't been since the second world war.
> 80 years later, we have a toxic "sacrifice zone" by the most important
> waterway in the Pacific Northwest. The Hanford Site in Washington State,
> located along the Columbia River, remains a significant storage location
> for radioactive waste. Established during World War II for plutonium
> production, Hanford has accumulated approximately 56 million gallons of
> radioactive waste stored in 177 underground tanks.
> 

Yes, the largest Super-Fund site in the U.S. I think. All of this was not part 
of what I advocate for. This was not part of any commercial nuclear energy 
program but for nuclear weapons, and solely for nuclear WMD. I'm for converting 
all fissionable material used in weapons into fuel for nuclear plants, as 
occurred under Clinton's administration which down blended older Soviet WMD 
uranium and plutonium into commercial reactor fuel. During the 1990s and 2000s 
10% of all U.S. electricity was generated by the "Megatons-to-Megawatts" 
program. I'm for *expanding* this...don't you? It is the only way to get rid of 
WMD currently in any event.

> 
> Who is going use these "stranded assets" and for what purposes?
> 
> 

The impetus for restarting mothballed reactors is the huge increase in load 
expected from "AI" and other technology related energy needs. From the 
capitalist POV, this means that the various forms of high energy tech like 
data-mining needs more energy. Since electrical demand is going up anyway, they 
wanted to insure they have access to an expanded electricity grid. I can't 
argue this wouldn't be the case under socialism so I look at is as any other 
load (demand) increase with the added benefit that generation would be 
expanding anyway and that it should be low carbon: that is, nuclear.

> 
> You assume that we can solve this problem without a revolution. Why assume
> something like that? Why such faith in the rationality of the system that
> created this crisis?
> From the standpoint of this list, calling for nuclear power to solve only
> the most obvious symptom of capitalism's ecology crisis is putting the
> cart before the horse.
> 
> 

Of course much of the issue of immediate environmental degradation and and long 
term climate change can be solved under capitalism. Otherwise why support this 
or that demand by various environmental groups at all? The fact is that our air 
IS cleaner thanks the 60 era clean air act(s). Did it require a socialist 
revolution to reduce noxious pollution from our highways? No it didn't. It is 
called "immediate demands" and, "transitional demands" you should be familiar 
with. But more importantly and immediately the need to start NOW to lower GHG 
emissions is a scientific fact. That means going after low-hanging fruit, like 
electricity generation which accounts for double-digit sources of GHGs. Can 
this be done? Sure, look at Ontario, Sweden and of course France, all of which 
have virtually eliminated their generation CO2 footprint with nuclear energy. 
Why is that a bad thing, Mark? Look at wind crazy Denmark, Germany, Spain, and 
Italy and compare them to the aforementioned states. The ONE difference is 
nuclear energy. If France can do it under then Gaulist capitalism, so can the 
rest of the world.

David

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