> On Jan 26, 2026, at 20:37, Duane Filan via groups.io 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Mark - "we will need to destroy
>  retire, or constrain most fossil based production. What am I missing?"
> 
> A wild guess, nuclear power based production.

I was thinking of primary and secondary fossil-fuel industries such as oil 
sands (primary) and plastics (secondary). I mentioned fertilizer, which is 
secondary and uses fossil fuel inputs, and we cannot stop making fertilizers 
like that by next year or even five. But we don't need to stop using fossil 
fuels, even in the US, but reduce their use. We can do that, in part, by 
finding ways to reduce energy demand, and then the US would not need as much 
nuclear-power generation. To reduce demand, we could start by retiring AI data 
centers, or at least tax them according to the costs to society - and the same 
with power-hungry crypto coin "mining."

Mark

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