On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 16:37 +0000, Simon Cozens wrote:
>     Oh, and I commend http://blog.simon-cozens.org/post/view/993 to you.

The first line of that is: "Simon Wistow is right. I want to amplify and
expand on some of what he said there."

I disagree with what Simon Wistow wrote, so not surprisingly, I also
disagree with some of what you wrote.

I was at the London Web Framework evening and I found Matt Trout's talk
the most interesting. That's not to say that Simon Willison and Matt
Biddulph gave worse talks; they didn't. The difference is my viewpoint,
and viewpoint is also what's key for frameworks.

The best talk was Simon's, but that was really all about content
(www.lawrence.com), a professional graphic designer and a professional
newsroom staff. I hope and expect they'll have great success with Django
and their commercialisation of it in the newsrooms of the world. If I
worked in Python I'd be having a joyful look at it.

Matt B gave another talk about content - the BBC's archive and the
librarians that run it. The application he presented appeared simple and
not very attractive - deliberate BBC policy I suspect, ahead of their
commercial launch. His views on Rails seemed ambivalent.

Matt T talked to a completely different audience - serious professional
Perl programmers. Whether he was right to do that or whether he should
have given a more general motherhood-and-apple-pie talk I don't know.
But as far as I was concerned, it was the only talk worth spending my
evening to listen to.

He definitely convinced me that it's worth giving DBIx::Class a go
instead of Class::DBI, which seems to have lost its direction. He almost
convinced me it might be worth trying Catalyst!

The take home message for me is that there is more than one decision to
be made. Sure there's a need to persuade people to try a framework in
the first place. And there's a need to make it easy to configure simple
applications. But it's also got to be reasonable to configure more
complex applications. There needs to be a growth path once people are
familiar with the tool and want to expand from noddy examples to real
life.

Cheers, Dave



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