On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 16:37 +0000, Simon Cozens wrote:
Oh, and I commend http://blog.simon-cozens.org/post/view/993
to you.
On 20 Nov 2005, at 07:06, Dave Howorth wrote:
The first line of that is: "Simon Wistow is right. I want to
amplify and
expand on some of what he said there."
I disagree with what Simon Wistow wrote, so not surprisingly, I also
disagree with some of what you wrote.
...
My take on what's been discussed:
...
Not being in London, or anywhere remotely near, I couldn't attend,
but I had a read of some of the surrounding correspondence instead,
and here's my take.
A web framework is a web framework is a web framework. They're
basically the same things as each other.
The Python and Ruby people don't have CPAN. This is good and bad for
them.
There are some structural issues in terms of documentation and
helping people grok the community that are relevant to all of these
projects.
Maypole and Catalyst are subject to intense rivalry, which at the
moment is an intensely bad thing, but could be a good thing. Mainly,
the problem is down to SRI, and his getting booted out of Maypole at
around the time he decided it wasn't general enough. (and his lack of
desire to document things properly, see Text::Folksonomies for a
prime example - a reasonable attitude if you're a script kiddie
like me, not so if you've got serious aspirations, I mean the docos
don't even devine what a Folksonomy is!).
...
My take on the territory:
...
There's a finite number of use-cases (likely to be used cases anyway)
for MVC apps. Most of them don't really have any serious IP
attached to them (structurally speaking, the data may be worth
keeping secret), so they can be openly documented. Once they're
documented they're portable to $language_of_choice. So the value is
two fold, firstly the implementation. Secondly the documentation of
the implementation. You can of course hide the second part of this,
and this might be profitable for you for a finite period of time.
This leads to a moral question I won't go into here, but suffice to
say I'd happily screw real estate agents to within an inch of their
balance sheet, but I don't tend to look for that kind of work, partly
because I know I wouldn't be very good at it.
I earn about half of my income from knowing how to collect, organise
and analyse data. Messy data, clean data, from this [online] source,
that [offline] source, or the other [scientific (or quasi-
scientific) ] source. I charge a reasonable rate for this, the
details of which I won't go into here. So I'm mainly concerned with
saving myself effort. Which is why I'm a perl programmer, when I'm a
programmer. Execpt when I'm forced to use javascript.
As a consequence, things like Java, and Catalyst are overkill for me,
but the kinds of things that I do are portable to those platforms if
that's what you want, but at best (from my financial perspective)
you'll be employing me as a consultant to help implement the port,
you won't employ me to do your dirty work.
So, cooperation, and integration, and making things idiot proof.
That's what I want to see.
Oh, and for some crucial background info, about 7 years ago, lo, the
boss sayeth unto me "You will maintain this [clinical information]
Access database for the next 6 months until we re-appoint a DBM, [and
work out how we can make it clinically useful]", and lo I learned
Access and a little VBA, and after 2 years of banging my head
against the concrete, I sayeth that "Access sux and Microsoft want me
to be a coorpoate pawn".
/end philosophical ramble.
kd
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