i think the main problem we have is that in todays society theres just alot of people who i guess just dont give a shit. they take for granted what we have and i beleive its their faults of the increased laws on cars. many people will say rules were made to be broken and i beleive no matter how strict laws become people will still breach them. i think the only problem with drag strips and race tracks is the availability, location, and cost. events arent held too regulary that are open to the public and once they are it could end up costing someone a fair bit just for a few runs down the strip. for daniels sake he has to travel 1000km just to get there and it may only be open once every two months. i know here in adelaide a period from about september to feb/march our drag strip didnt hold one event. hence people taking there speed to the street.
i would love to race cars in any sort of class. but being young, still studying, jack shit money to spare, i think 99% of people dotn have the money or knowledge to be able to race. think how awesome it would be if every joeblow did. there would be heaps of different racing classes, alot of talent and competition. it would mean for some great racing. i guess it all comes down to what sort of person you are and respect of others. i still believe there is a lot of un-neccessary critisism about guys and their cars, but hey this will never change and we all have to live with it. i also beleive people who get caught speeding, running red lights, drink driving etc should simply pay the fine/consequences as they are in the wrong, unless its completely not your fault. but the rule on burnouts i think is very harsh. when most people do burnouts it basically following the same path they would have taken driving normally anyway but the wheels are spinning. i only think it becomes dangerous once doughnuts get started or if you smoke up a street full of cars during the day. but just laying a bit of rubber by taking off quick.... i guess we gotta live with that too. ryan >From: "Brad Hallett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Re:Ben/Legal matters.....brad >Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:28:03 +1000 > >Ryan >Good reply, but I still maintain the road is no place for >burnouts/racing. There are a number of reasons for this, and not only >the usual accident related reasons we all know. > >One reason out of the usual is that race tracks and drag strips are >purposely designed for the job. The corners are cambered correctly and >the surfaces are smooth and well maintained. The design of the track >and cleanliness of the surface mean you can literally drive to your >limits with a minimun of external stimuli to cause a problem. Not many >roads in our infrastructure can promise that. > >Other reasons are the presence of firies and ambulance should you run >out of talent at an awkward moment, and also the proven ability of >yourself and your car. On the road, you are simply putting others at >risk as well as yourself and at the end of the day you have nothing to >show for it. Big deal if you blew away another car on the road, you >have proven nothing. On the track, you have shown a skill to perform as >everyone is on a level playing field. > >I regularly download my emails to see people complaining they got a >ticket, they got arrested, they are being harassed etc etc. If you >don't make a dickhead of yourself and put yourself in that situation >then you don't have a problem. If you do genuinely get pulled over by >Traffic Branch for no apparent reason then you can blame every other >dickhead that has done a burnout or hit the loud pedal because he was >having a bad day, as they are the dickheads that draw attention to >modified vehicles. > >I am 33 year old in June and I have driven rally cars, mostly Datsuns, >and other fire breathers in events and on the road since I was 17. I >have only copped grief from Traffic Branch and Qld Transport after >clowns have played up in their poorly engineered shitboxes the night >before etc and all loud modified vehicles were tarred with the same >brush. > >Prove your metal and race on the track. > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ryan Ottens >Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2002 12:07 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: Re:Ben/Legal matters.....brad > > > >brad i can see where your coming from. and i think its where everyone >comes >from(besides all us hoons) >i think theres also a time and a place for everything. being a young >hoon of >only 17 i have seen a lot of incidents with friends in public places >during >broad daylight. ala one of my friends around the corner was drink >driving at >5pm and wrote his car off into a bunch of trees in front of my house on >the >oval. >but i think alot of people also criticise the living shit out of "hoons" >and >at times just plainly bad drivers. my mate was definately in the wrong >and >coped a fine and is losing his license. i think this is very fair >punishment, what i dont think was appropriate was the guy that came up >to >him and punched him one, and went off at him, and the lady which claimed >he >went around the corner at 90+kph. a 90degree corner where he crashed >over 50 >mtrs after the corner. yes he took it too fast for his car a heavy arse >xf >wagon. and hes never been sideways b4 so didnt know what to do, ended up > >vearing to wrong side of road and into some trees. > >what also bothers me is how when i drive down my street and gun in >through >first and second gear at high revs. i stop at about 40mph so only just >over >the speed limit people look at me like im going 200ks or soemthing. but >i >can kane past at 90 in 5th gear and wont even get a glance. > >i admit i have done a lot of stupid things in my time and im sure alot >more >will come, but when i do i try to do it as safe as possible, like only >at >sorta a more safer time than others. like 4am compared to 4pm. > >again. just my opinion on this topic too. > >but no brad i dont blame you. but i guess it wouldnt bother you as much >if >people did it at a place and time where theres minimal to no risk in >others? >but not just on the track? >i wouldnt mind getting your feedback on this. > >cheers, >ryan > > >From: "Brad Hallett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: Re:Ben/Legal matters > >Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:10:16 +1000 > > > >I'll probably be howled down here but I don't care, I simply don't > >understand what the fascination is with doing a burnout or racing on > >suburban roads. > > > >If you want to build horsepower and prove yourself and your vehicle, > >build a club racer or street class dragger and do your burnouts and > >racing at the track. Don't fuck around on the street that our families > > >drive on to get to work, school, uni etc. > > > >Cheers > >Brad > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Adam Jackson > >Sent: Monday, 22 April 2002 9:42 PM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: Re:Ben/Legal matters > > > > > >it's actually called discretion :) > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Ben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:12 PM > >Subject: Re: Re:Ben/Legal matters > > > > > > > your missing the point, he can do something like that and only get > > > fined, whereas a car is being impounded for much less, that is what > > > i meant by my "Bloody cops" remark > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Rick White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 11:06 PM > > > Subject: Re:Ben/Legal matters > > > > > > > > > > Ben. > > > > Don't you mean bloodie idiot mate. > > > > He got wot he deserved. > > > > He doesn't deserve a licence or to own his car he deffinatly > > > > desrves > > > > > > to > > > have it confiscated. > > > > Rick White. > > > > > > > > --- "Ben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > its a bit harsh, my mate has been caught doing a toey in front of > > > > a cop, > > > he > > > > got a $80 fine and got told there are places to do things like > > > > this......empty car parks, heh. also just the other day he let his > > > > > v8 > > > charger > > > > come full noise opp lock around a corner in town, smoke pouring > > > > outta > >the > > > > tyres, right in front of a cop.....once again $80 fine, no points. > >bloody > > > cops. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > > > Get Your free Ozdat Email Account > > > > ---> http://www.ozdat.com > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > > > Run a small business? 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