Find a dirt track, it's got to be the cheapest way of getting the speed bug
out of your system, a car for this form of motor sport over here, can be
built for as little as $500.00.
Craig
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Ottens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:56 AM
Subject: RE: Re:Ben/Legal matters.....brad
>
> i think the main problem we have is that in todays society theres just
alot
> of people who i guess just dont give a shit.
> they take for granted what we have and i beleive its their faults of the
> increased laws on cars. many people will say rules were made to be broken
> and i beleive no matter how strict laws become people will still breach
> them.
> i think the only problem with drag strips and race tracks is the
> availability, location, and cost. events arent held too regulary that are
> open to the public and once they are it could end up costing someone a
fair
> bit just for a few runs down the strip. for daniels sake he has to travel
> 1000km just to get there and it may only be open once every two months.
> i know here in adelaide a period from about september to feb/march our
drag
> strip didnt hold one event. hence people taking there speed to the street.
>
> i would love to race cars in any sort of class. but being young, still
> studying, jack shit money to spare, i think 99% of people dotn have the
> money or knowledge to be able to race. think how awesome it would be if
> every joeblow did. there would be heaps of different racing classes, alot
of
> talent and competition. it would mean for some great racing.
>
> i guess it all comes down to what sort of person you are and respect of
> others. i still believe there is a lot of un-neccessary critisism about
guys
> and their cars, but hey this will never change and we all have to live
with
> it.
> i also beleive people who get caught speeding, running red lights, drink
> driving etc should simply pay the fine/consequences as they are in the
> wrong, unless its completely not your fault.
> but the rule on burnouts i think is very harsh. when most people do
burnouts
> it basically following the same path they would have taken driving
normally
> anyway but the wheels are spinning. i only think it becomes dangerous once
> doughnuts get started or if you smoke up a street full of cars during the
> day.
> but just laying a bit of rubber by taking off quick.... i guess we gotta
> live with that too.
>
> ryan
>
>
> >From: "Brad Hallett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: Re:Ben/Legal matters.....brad
> >Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:28:03 +1000
> >
> >Ryan
> >Good reply, but I still maintain the road is no place for
> >burnouts/racing. There are a number of reasons for this, and not only
> >the usual accident related reasons we all know.
> >
> >One reason out of the usual is that race tracks and drag strips are
> >purposely designed for the job. The corners are cambered correctly and
> >the surfaces are smooth and well maintained. The design of the track
> >and cleanliness of the surface mean you can literally drive to your
> >limits with a minimun of external stimuli to cause a problem. Not many
> >roads in our infrastructure can promise that.
> >
> >Other reasons are the presence of firies and ambulance should you run
> >out of talent at an awkward moment, and also the proven ability of
> >yourself and your car. On the road, you are simply putting others at
> >risk as well as yourself and at the end of the day you have nothing to
> >show for it. Big deal if you blew away another car on the road, you
> >have proven nothing. On the track, you have shown a skill to perform as
> >everyone is on a level playing field.
> >
> >I regularly download my emails to see people complaining they got a
> >ticket, they got arrested, they are being harassed etc etc. If you
> >don't make a dickhead of yourself and put yourself in that situation
> >then you don't have a problem. If you do genuinely get pulled over by
> >Traffic Branch for no apparent reason then you can blame every other
> >dickhead that has done a burnout or hit the loud pedal because he was
> >having a bad day, as they are the dickheads that draw attention to
> >modified vehicles.
> >
> >I am 33 year old in June and I have driven rally cars, mostly Datsuns,
> >and other fire breathers in events and on the road since I was 17. I
> >have only copped grief from Traffic Branch and Qld Transport after
> >clowns have played up in their poorly engineered shitboxes the night
> >before etc and all loud modified vehicles were tarred with the same
> >brush.
> >
> >Prove your metal and race on the track.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ryan Ottens
> >Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2002 12:07 AM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: Re:Ben/Legal matters.....brad
> >
> >
> >
> >brad i can see where your coming from. and i think its where everyone
> >comes
> >from(besides all us hoons)
> >i think theres also a time and a place for everything. being a young
> >hoon of
> >only 17 i have seen a lot of incidents with friends in public places
> >during
> >broad daylight. ala one of my friends around the corner was drink
> >driving at
> >5pm and wrote his car off into a bunch of trees in front of my house on
> >the
> >oval.
> >but i think alot of people also criticise the living shit out of "hoons"
> >and
> >at times just plainly bad drivers. my mate was definately in the wrong
> >and
> >coped a fine and is losing his license. i think this is very fair
> >punishment, what i dont think was appropriate was the guy that came up
> >to
> >him and punched him one, and went off at him, and the lady which claimed
> >he
> >went around the corner at 90+kph. a 90degree corner where he crashed
> >over 50
> >mtrs after the corner. yes he took it too fast for his car a heavy arse
> >xf
> >wagon. and hes never been sideways b4 so didnt know what to do, ended up
> >
> >vearing to wrong side of road and into some trees.
> >
> >what also bothers me is how when i drive down my street and gun in
> >through
> >first and second gear at high revs. i stop at about 40mph so only just
> >over
> >the speed limit people look at me like im going 200ks or soemthing. but
> >i
> >can kane past at 90 in 5th gear and wont even get a glance.
> >
> >i admit i have done a lot of stupid things in my time and im sure alot
> >more
> >will come, but when i do i try to do it as safe as possible, like only
> >at
> >sorta a more safer time than others. like 4am compared to 4pm.
> >
> >again. just my opinion on this topic too.
> >
> >but no brad i dont blame you. but i guess it wouldnt bother you as much
> >if
> >people did it at a place and time where theres minimal to no risk in
> >others?
> >but not just on the track?
> >i wouldnt mind getting your feedback on this.
> >
> >cheers,
> >ryan
> >
> > >From: "Brad Hallett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: RE: Re:Ben/Legal matters
> > >Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:10:16 +1000
> > >
> > >I'll probably be howled down here but I don't care, I simply don't
> > >understand what the fascination is with doing a burnout or racing on
> > >suburban roads.
> > >
> > >If you want to build horsepower and prove yourself and your vehicle,
> > >build a club racer or street class dragger and do your burnouts and
> > >racing at the track. Don't fuck around on the street that our families
> >
> > >drive on to get to work, school, uni etc.
> > >
> > >Cheers
> > >Brad
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Adam Jackson
> > >Sent: Monday, 22 April 2002 9:42 PM
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: Re:Ben/Legal matters
> > >
> > >
> > >it's actually called discretion :)
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Ben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:12 PM
> > >Subject: Re: Re:Ben/Legal matters
> > >
> > >
> > > > your missing the point, he can do something like that and only get
> > > > fined, whereas a car is being impounded for much less, that is what
> > > > i meant by my "Bloody cops" remark
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rick White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 11:06 PM
> > > > Subject: Re:Ben/Legal matters
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Ben.
> > > > > Don't you mean bloodie idiot mate.
> > > > > He got wot he deserved.
> > > > > He doesn't deserve a licence or to own his car he deffinatly
> > > > > desrves
> > >
> > > > > to
> > > > have it confiscated.
> > > > > Rick White.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- "Ben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > its a bit harsh, my mate has been caught doing a toey in front of
> > > > > a cop,
> > > > he
> > > > > got a $80 fine and got told there are places to do things like
> > > > > this......empty car parks, heh. also just the other day he let his
> >
> > > > > v8
> > > > charger
> > > > > come full noise opp lock around a corner in town, smoke pouring
> > > > > outta
> > >the
> > > > > tyres, right in front of a cop.....once again $80 fine, no points.
> > >bloody
> > > > cops.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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