For low budget rallyists, 18 tyres for one event was a lot! For an Alpine Rally, which ran from 6 pm Friday nite to late Sunday afternoon, with one 8 hour break, I used to budget for 1 set of 6 tyres, 2 sets of front brake pads and about 500 litres of fuel, in our 1600.
A mate of mine, Chris Wall built a really good 1600 rally car, seam welded, using works suspension parts, but building his own engine. He ran it for 5 years in the Victorian Rally championship series, finishing in the top 10 each year and in the top 3 for some individual events. He never touched the engine apart from oil changes and ignition. This car ran between 14 and 20 rallys a year and ran 7th outright in the Alpine Rally in its fourth year, (15th outright the previous year), against 84 entries including all the ARC crews. It beat cars that had mega dollars spent on engine improvements over the same period. The basic reason for Chris's success was simple basic preparation and skillful driving (having a reasonable navigator was also a help in those days). Chris finally wrote this Datto off in a Begonia Rally, during one of the first daylight special stage TV events run in Australia. It was Chris's one and only major "off". Another mate Mick Ellis, built Dattos for a couple of the round Australia events. The first was a beautiful red 180BSSS, and later with Chris, a 120Y of all things - it didnt get to Perth - cracked diff housing. Earlier, I helped Mick build a Datto 1600 that he and Ian Baxter drove to finish 23rd. in the second London Sydney Event (1978). This car was a total shell 3 days before we put it in a container to send it to England, completely set up. I drove that car home from the Sydney finish and it was still running really strongly. That car ran next in a four day "Rediplan" rally in NW Victoria and SW NSW. I was also involved, navigating in Chris's Wall's 1600. Mick hit a large tree at over 160KPH, flattening it to the windscreen on the drivers side (after previously side swiping a tree and later lightly rolling on to the roof). The service crew passed us, having heard of the problem. We told them the car was a right off but they insisted they'd get it running. They used a gas axe to straighten the inner guard enough to install a new front RH strut and guard, and the car finished the event high enough placed for it to be included in our team of three cars with the highest finishing places! It was then retired to the wrecking yard. Before this in the 1970's, Rally's then called Car "Trials" were basically winter night time activities, run deep in the bush on really grotty, wet tracks and relying on map reading navigation as much as car performance. Speeds were lower due to the roughness, slipperyness and tightness of these forestry tracks, which rarely ever had cars driven on them. Good cars to run were VW's (Bugs), Peugeot 404/504, EH/HR Holdens, LC/LJ Toranas, Renault R8/10/16's, Ford 105EAnglia's/Cortinas/Escorts and of course Datsun 1600's, which were seen as the "new age" rally machines. Light, but fast and unbreakable. My 1970's rally days rides were, in order. FE Holden (one gear, second, was useful - broke crankshafts regularly), Ford "Angria" (Anglia105E fitted with a 1500GT Cortina engine) fast, but troublesome engine and electrics, Mini Deluxe, then upgraded to Mini Cooper S, Torana LJ XU1, then a Datsun 1600. In the late 1980's I navigated in 2 very competitive Datsun 1600's (refer above) and a less competitive Mazda RX2. (Kids had forced retirement from ownership of rally cars by then) Sorry to bore you guys with memories, I'm on holidays this week. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Greenbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2002 11:51 AM Subject: Re: Datto Rallying - now and then > Hi Everyone, > > thanks Richard for sharing these kind of stories (and everyone else > who also does - Brad Terry Errol etc etc etc), because being too > young I would never hear of these tales otherwise. > > btw - was using 18 tyres for the event a lot or not many?? > > Thanks > Andrew > > > Nat > > Yes I met Glenn and his partner at the car's first rally - "The rally in the > > Valley" a couple of years ago. Mega money spent, (did you say $52K) but > > what a machine! (The Black BMW road cars his partner drives isn't bad > > either). > > As you said Nat, money is no object to this outfit. He swapped alternators > > at the halfway and his service truck had a full set of running gear for > > spares. > > > > I think Glenn basically just likes to have a thrash in rallies as each time > > I saw him the car was sideways, doing 180's 360's everyway but smooth and > > straight! > > > > That Les Collins L18 block (2.23L) working at full tilt in the night forest > > air sounded bullet proof all the time however. Well worth a trip into the > > bush and eating dust all night just to hear it! > > > > Reminded me of Geoff Portman's legendary 1600 "grunter engined" IFK250, > > when he finished 27 seconds ahead of Colin Bond's factory RS2000 Escort to > > win the Alpine Rally in November 1978. This was the closest finish ever in > > an Australian Rally to that time. Remember those Alpine's were three day > > ,1500Km enduros, not one of todays 1hour 55 minute, 175 Km sprints. > > > > During the Australian Rally Championship in 1978, this 1600 won the > > Lutwytche Rally in Queensland early in the year, blowing away the factory > > stars/cars and stamping Datsun 1600's firmly in the minds of young(er) rally > > fans (me included), who could actually afford one of these! > > The 1600 came forth in the Bega Valley Rally behind Greg Carr (works > > Escort), Ross Dunkerton (works 240Z) Colin Bond (works Escort). It ran > > second to Colin Bond in the Endrust round of the ARC in South Aus, beating > > the recognised "works Datsuns" driven by Ross Dunkerton and George Fury, > > just a month before winning the legendary 1978 Repco Alpine Rally event. > > > > The big difference for the Alpine Rally was that the Portman/Runnells 1600 > > had been fitted an LSD and a 1:1 (option) 5 speed box fitted, both for the > > first time! Portman said after the event that he had never driven with an > > LSD before and was staggered that they used 18 tyres for the event. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "nat P." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, 28 June 2002 2:20 AM > > Subject: Re: HOW BOUT $32000 FOR A DATTO 1600??? > > > > > > > Yep, Sorry about thre mix up! > > > I've never seen it BUT Glen Bakker told me about it. > > > Nice guy!!! I've been told he's the type of guy who > > > could afford to go 4WD but wants rear wheel action!! > > > Do you know him? > > > Cheers nat > > > > > > > > > --- Richard Clough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nat > > > > His surname is not Bakker is it? That sounds like > > > > the price of his Les > > > > Collins built car (48mm webers though not EFI) > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "nat P." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Thursday, 27 June 2002 15:23 PM > > > > Subject: Re: HOW BOUT $32000 FOR A DATTO 1600??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know a guy who has spent so far $53,000.00 on > > > > his > > > > > 1600! its the ultimate 1600 rally car! 2.4, EFI > > > > > everything and I mean everything! Les Collins is > > > > > building it for him as a one off! > > > > > Cheers NAT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- mark krawczuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > for > > > > > that amount of money , it wanna do 7 second > > > > > > 1/4 mile, and be > > > > > > completely driveable on the street. thing is, > > > > he`ll > > > > > > be too scared to drive > > > > > > it, i wonder if , he`ll get it insured? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark k > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Adam Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:42 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: HOW BOUT $32000 FOR A DATTO 1600??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > omg that's just plain stupid! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Cleary Signs" > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 12:52 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: HOW BOUT $32000 FOR A DATTO > > > > 1600??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i just heard of a young guy who just paid > > > > pac > > > > > > performance, > > > > > > > > $79,000 for his 20B Rx3, they did the lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heath > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: JUSTIN FRIEDRICHS > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 10:20 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: HOW BOUT $32000 FOR A DATTO > > > > 1600??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I reckon you can easy spend 30K on a 1600 > > > > with > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > that gear he has, if you do all the work > > > > > > yourself. So > > > > > > > > > if its had 900 hours spent on it (still > > > > > > possible) then > > > > > > > > > you could spend that much. More dollars > > > > that > > > > > > sense > > > > > > > > > but!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Tom Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > guy doesn't know anything about the car, > > > > he > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > paid other people > > > > > > > > > > to do every single thing on it. I think > > > > > > your first > > > > > > > > > > comment is probably > > > > > > > > > > pretty accurate Mark! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark krawczuk wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >either tthe guy is on drugs, how can u > > > > > > spend 75000 > > > > > > > > > > $ on a 1600, he mustt got > > > > > > > > > > >shafted big time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think he must have ment $3200 , not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >32,000................;-).................... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark k > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Adam Jackson" > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 8:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: HOW BOUT $32000 FOR A > > > > DATTO > > > > > > 1600??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>sounds like he's real keen on selling > > > > the > > > > > > car too > > > > > > > > > > :P > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Frank > > > > > > > > > > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > >>Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:56 AM > > > > > > > > > > >>Subject: HOW BOUT $32000 FOR A DATTO > > > > > > 1600??? > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>FOUND IN---- > > > > > > > > > > >>Classfieds Ads > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>26/06/2002 - datsun 1600 > > > > > > > > > > >>fj20 je pistons cams heavy spings > > > > bafeld > > > > > > sump > > > > > > > > > > stainless headers coated 600 > > > > > > > > > > >>garet ballbearing turbo handmade > > > > pelium > > > > > > 780cc > > > > > > > > > > rochester injectors autronic > > > > > > > > > > >>sm2 with cdi 300z brakes 300z 5speed > > > > with > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > ratio gtr33 gears 7 1/4in > > > > > > > > > > >>twin plate clutch billet flywheel r200 > > > > > > diff > > > > > > > > > > 4.4ratio vt rear brakes bias > > > > > > > > > > >>valve full caber and carster rear end > > > > > > docterd > > > > > > > > > > trailing arms 3in staino > > > > > > > > > > >>exhust 16in nismo polihed rims > > > > bridstone > > > > > > potensa > > > > > > > > > > type r tyres front end > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >koni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>adjustable shocks camber and caster > > > > full > > > > > > auto > > > > > > > > > > meter dash momo wheel full > > > > > > > > > > >>polished dash and engine bay standox > > > > black > > > > > > paint > > > > > > > > > > 3years old 480hp at fly > > > > > > > > > > >>wheel on dave handley engine dyno 2 > > > > much 2 > > > > > > list no > > > > > > > > > > time wasters or joy > > > > > > > > > > >>riders cost over $75000 > > > > > > > > > > >>$32000 ono > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>SOUNDS LIKE THE DATTO "scared" IS UP > > > > FOR > > > > > > SALE!!! > > > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>--membersozdat------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > >>OZDAT Mailing List Please Note:- > > > > > > > > > > >>Send (un)subscribe requests to > > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > >>Send submissions to > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > >>No unauthorised redistribution of this > > > > > > email > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/listindex.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > http://www.sold.com.au - SOLD.com.au > > > - Find yourself a bargain! > > > > > > > > > > > --membersozdat------------------------------------------------------- OZDAT Mailing List Please Note:- Send (un)subscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No unauthorised redistribution of this email http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/index.htm http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/listindex.html http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------
