The philosophy of Han Solo:

Han Solo: "Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good
blaster at your side, kid."

Luke: "You don't believe in the Force, do you?" 
Han Solo: "Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and
I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me
believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause
no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple
tricks and nonsense."

Liz

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From: [email protected]
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Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:09 AM
To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
Subject: Re: Thinking Freely about Freethought


Hi y'all - I don't say that atheism is a prerequisite of freethought.
I think Michael is a freethinker. There are many positions one could
take, that do not involve an unsubstantiated belief in the
supernatural, which I would call freethought.
I can't follow the logic of your argument about Han Solo - is he a
philosopher that I'm unfamiliar with?- I'll look him up. Nevertheless,
if he is using logic, reason and evidence to support his belief in a
God then he should make me familiar with the process and I'll join
him.

On Oct 29, 12:20 am, Aaron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's all well and good, but it seems beside the point.  Consider
> this syllogism:
>
> Freethought is the use of logic, reason and evidence instead of
> tradition, emotion or dogma to determine beliefs. Han Solo determines
> his beliefs (including his belief in God) using logic, reason and
> evidence instead of tradition, emotion or dogma. Therefore, Han Solo
> is a freethinker.
>
> Where is the formal fallacy in that?  You can argue that the minor
> premise is improbable, but so what?  A negative conclusion would
> require adding atheism to the major premise, but that's precicely what
> the essay is about!  That's begging the question.  To argue
> effectively against the ideas in the essay, one must offer compelling
> reasons why atheism should be a prerequisite of freethought rather
> than a consequence of it.
>
> Aaron
>
> http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/features/2000/lowder1.html
>
> On Oct 28, 10:52 pm, Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > <<Clog, I don't understand.  Are you incapable of thinking
> > hypothetically, or are you just being stubborn because you don't like
> > where this particular conversation might lead?>>
>
> > Clog is making an inductive argument:
> > ===
> > All efforts at using logic and reason to demonstrate the existence of
> > a god have resulted in unsound arguments.  Therefore, no sound
> > arguments exist and thus anyone who believes in a god does so through
> > faith.
> > ===- Hide quoted text -
>
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