No, this is twisted from the REAL view. Individuals can and do choose. There is no doubt about that. However or choices are NATRURALLY limited. Collectively, our environment in the moment is determined by the environment as it existed in the moment before. Still, if all are hungry it still reduces to a percentage of those having the means to do something about it and a smaller percentage having motivation to do so. The contributing factors to means and motivation are limitless enough to produce choice... but choice comes after meeting the challenge. This follows chaos theory. With enough infinite possibility, encapsulated order is inevitable in chaos. With enough variation in environment, and enough individuals, encapsulated choice is inevitable. Did every criminal have a choice. No. Not everyone. Can we make choices that give such individuals more choice. Most certainly.
http://niggerwise.com On Nov 5, 1:37 pm, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OH, right... is it saying that punishment for some behaviors should be > considered relative to the environment that affected the criminal when we > consider punishment like the death penalty? That we can't help ourselves in > some situations? Sometimes I can agree with that. I think pheremones have a > strong influence on fidelity! Most won't like it or consider it because it > may be seen to undermine accountability.... > > *<<<naturalism does call into question the basis for retributive attitudes, > namely the idea that individuals could have done otherwise in the situation > in which their behavior arose and so deeply deserve punishment.>>> > * > > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > <<Yes it does..."call into question the basis" >> > > > Still "no". This idea of "deserving punishment" is alien to me. I > > ask, "for what purpose?"- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/memphisfreethoughtalliance?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
