“…yet there may be some states that cannot be accessed by non- entheogenic means and vice-versa…” – Preston
Preston, I’ll assume that you are talking in general…by that I mean I’ll guess you are generalizing about all people and not some specific person(s) you know. Given that, exactly what states do you believe can only be accessed by entheogens? I will leave out all psychotic ones for now. And, assuming that you will have some sort of a list, I’ll further ask how you come to the conclusion(s) about entheogenic states and their exclusivity. On Nov 11, 7:13 pm, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quite true, yet there may be some states that cannot be accessed by > non-entheogenic means and vice-versa. Granted, the path without ingestion, > contact or inhalation requires discipline and therefore probably has > benefits without the bad consequences of exogenous chemicals. > > Preston > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ornamentalmind" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Memphis Freethought Alliance" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: Romancing the Stoned > > "... Experimenting with altered states can be very enlightening; you > just have to be sure of the situation you are in when you do. ..." - > Prestone > > While entheogens have been used 'forever', in no way are they a > requirement for enlightened states. > > On Nov 11, 1:46 pm, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If it were legal, I think it would be fine recreationally. Triumph of > > moderation is the key here. Experimenting with altered states can be very > > enlightening; you just have to be sure of the situation you are in when > > you do. The adage "Don't let the situation control you rather you control > > the situation" applies here. Driving around in a car while on acid is a > > bad choice; putting yourself in a safe environment with a designated sober > > while tripping is a better choice. But most "experiencing" is illegal so > > that makes it a bad choice in general. > > > BTW, chemically speaking, mary jane is a hallucinogen. > > > Prestone > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: CrossBow > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:39 PM > > Subject: Re: Romancing the Stoned > > > Hahaha! funny think! > > > I would agree about the gateway theory... but - I have turned down about > > 100 bales of marijuana approx. in my short life, and was probably > > enebriated most of that time. Living with musicians and artists will do > > that. I never did coke, heroin, or anything else. My own curious cocktail > > of brain chemicals have been adventure enough to keep me barely surviving. > > I think all those love chemicals are dangerous, and cause more harm than > > good for some. Imagine overload on the oxytocin! serotonin! whew! Makes it > > easy to fall in love for some and not so good for others. Evolution is a > > bitch:) > > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:29 PM, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Oh, I believe in the gateway theory....and to that end, believe that > > all milk should be outlawed! :-) > > > On Nov 11, 12:16 pm, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Big Pharm does not seem to want much investigation into anything that > > > isn't > > > synthetically produced does it? Wasn't it the Rockefeller's and the > > > Carnegie's that started pushing modern medicine/pills that buried the > > > apothecary? > > > > My mother grew up on a road called "Hemp Patch", and no, that is not > > > what is > > > wrong with me:) I'm with you on decriminalization and I don't believe in > > > the > > > gateway theory either. > > > > seems like everyone I knew at one time had a pocket full of vicodin! > > > made > > > me TOO sleepy.. > > > > here is a site for that opiate of the masses...luv: > > > >http://www.oxytocin.org/oxytoc/love-science.html > > > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 1:50 PM, ornamentalmind > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > > "…Think it will legalize?" – CB > > > > > It is quite difficult to tell. Not in the near future would be my > > > > guess. It is a very complex situation. As a kid, I heard about the > > > > green gel that could be purchased OTC that was mostly hash. Of course, > > > > Coke used to have real coke in it. The snake oils of the past were > > > > quite often even more addictive than much on the market today. The > > > > current 'drugs' that are most addictive fall in the sweetener > > > > categories. I'm leaving out the obvious things like cigs, alcohol and > > > > the illegal drugs along with the 'legal' prescribed drugs. > > > > > I would guess that most of you have seen 'Reefer Madness'? Woody > > > > Harrelson's movie 'Grass' is a great view of the history in the US. > > > >http://worldfilm.about.com/library/00nowplaying/blgrass.htm > > > >http://www.sphinxproductions.com/pages/film_grass.html > > > >http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0214730/ > > > > > He appears in a new movie about the topic too: > > > >http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0417750/ > > > > > Over the decades, along with a large group of people in the US, my > > > > view is that at the very least this plant should be decriminalized. I > > > > won't go into all of the great uses for hemp but will say that it used > > > > to be a major part of the US economy and should still be. My dad owned > > > > a house out on the tip of Big Pine Island where there used to be a > > > > large hemp farm. Just the other day, I had some hempmilk. The clothing > > > > would rival many other companies. Of course, the drug itself would fly > > > > in the face of the FDA and AMA. Since apothecaries were banned in the > > > > US, such things have been regulated by the powerful for money and > > > > power reasons rather than the public good overall. > > > > > Even though the government remains a major obstacle, the general > > > > public is beginning to come around. (read: old farts are dying out) > > > > > On Nov 11, 8:10 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Marijuana was listed in the United States Pharmacopoeia from 1850 > > > > > until 1942 and was prescribed for various conditions including labor > > > > > pains, nausea, and rheumatism. > > > > > >http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=40921&source=newsletter > > > > > > Think it will legalize?- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/memphisfreethoughtalliance?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
