I know at least one woman whose husband does not want her primping because he wants her to be less attractive in public thus fending off potential mates:) But then, he is a nasty piece of work...
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Liz Purkrabek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > I think the primping and preparation women do (makeup and nail painting > and such) is largely for the benefit of other women. Most of the men I've > dated have preferred no makeup or not cared whether I wore it or not. Same > with fingernail polish. I've never had a guy comment on my fingernails. > > > > I think the preening and preparation for heightened attractiveness elevates > the status of the woman, and that may have some bearing on her > attitude/confidence. > > > > That's a serious oversimplification obviously. > > > > liz > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *CrossBow > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:39 PM > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for other > pictures > > > > No, not sexist. All this primping may be just biology at work. In my girly > opinion, women feel an inborn need to be attractive to attract mates and > stay that way untill unable to reproduce - menopause. We are not out of the > cave yet. > > > > Are primates the only species that the female is more floofy? It seems the > other way around in birds and some others. Think Peacock..now that is a > dandy bird! Butterflies have it right..they are both lovely. > > > > Has this american society went crazy with it...answer that by looking at > Cher and Dolly Parton. > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:27 PM, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > When it comes to the youth/beauty issue, I don't feel so controlled by > that. Again, perhaps it is more of the induced female psyche in this > society? And, of course, the main energy of the female seems to be > being attractive and the male active. Yes, I know how this may appear > and in no way do I mean this as a sexist comment. > > > On Nov 19, 7:42 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I feel kids are percieved to be useless time wasters by many and many > think > > thier value to society is on hold until they grow old enough to graduate > and > > enter the work force. That is deeply disturbing but I feel truth in it. > > Ignored seems to be ignored even if it is for different reasons. I think > > children have the best of it because they have youth and beauty on thier > > side, in thier future, which cannot be recaptured as you age..perhaps > that > > has truth too. > > > > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:13 AM, Liz Purkrabek <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not the same thing at all. Being ignored because you belong to a > big > > > family or disinterested parents is not the same issue as being ignored > > > incrementally based on physical attractiveness or perceived value to > > > society as a whole. > > > > > liz > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Jason > > > (Memphis) > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:57 PM > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance > > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for other > > > pictures > > > > > Aren't kids in the "invisibility syndrome" category too? I know > > > quite a few kids that are essentially ignored especially with big > > > families. It is starting to be less of an issue because many couples > > > (or singles) aren't having as many children so their one or two > > > children get lots and lots of attention. > > > > > On Nov 18, 9:09 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I like old chicks. > > > > > > J. > > > > > > "I do agree with Liz about the "invisibility syndrome". But, isn't > it > > > > cultural to the western world?" – CB > > > > > > One can generalize about any thought. I find that age alone can > > > > produce a type of 'invisibility' for some people. When I was a kid, > I > > > > seldom knew how to relate to the old folks let alone found them easy > > > > to get to know. Ignoring them was the easiest defense mechanism. . . > > > > as ignorant as avoidance can be in the long run. > > > > > > On Nov 18, 7:17 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> One > theory > > > is that women go through menopause in order to dump the hormones > > > > > and switch the ability to produce for focus on caretaking of > > > grandchildren. > > > > > Sounds like evolution wants us to be social servants and makes use > of > > > us to > > > > > further survival that way... > > > > > > > I do agree with Liz about the "invisibility syndrome". But, isn't > it > > > > > cultural to the western world? > > > > > > > I have mixed feelings about losing what beauty I have had. > Sometimes > > > it is > > > > > a relief not to maintain it. Nice to be needed for something > > > approaching > > > > > wisdom instead of my bosom:) > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:41 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > > > > > "Because of the loss of status I feel as I age..." - Liz > > > > > > > > Thanks for the stream Liz! And, this quote of yours is what I > see > > > as > > > > > > the 'crime' of our culture. Historically, age has represented > > > wisdom, > > > > > > the opposite of a loss of status. And, as I see it, door > opening, as > > > > > > much as I was programmed to do it and still do on occasion, has > not > > > > > > been continued as a 'social grace' in many pockets of our > culture > > > and/ > > > > > > or has become a curiosity due to the notion of being politically > > > > > > correct. > > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 1:28 pm, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Although I agree that beauty can be more than skin deep, I've > > > always > > > > > > thought > > > > > > > men were likely to respond first to positive visual > stimulation. > > > If, > > > > > > after > > > > > > > the attention was caught, then other factors like personality > or > > > > > > > intelligence entered into the picture. I've thought about > just > > > this > > > > > > subject > > > > > > > more and more as I get older and realize that with every year > that > > > > > > passes, > > > > > > > fewer and fewer men stop to open doors for me. Where once > even > > > the > > > > > > > teenagers did so, now just the men about my age and older do. > I > > > > imagine > > > > > > at > > > > > > > some point that the few men who respond to me in such a > fashion > > > will be > > > > > > > doing so out of pity when I am old and unable to open the door > > > myself. > > > > > > > > > Because of the loss of status I feel as I age (and also for > > > other > > > > > > > reasons), I am educating myself and developing myself in ways > that > > > have > > > > > > > little to nothing to do with the way I look. I don't want to > be > > > caught > > > > > > > unprepared when at last the body completely gives and the face > > > sags. > > > > > > > > > I am already starting to see wrinkles that don't go away when > I > > > stop > > > > > > > smiling, and I never feared wrinkles until I started seeing > them. > > > I > > > > > > think > > > > > > > that to become unattractive is much more problematic or even > > > > devastating > > > > > > > because it seems as though women become invisible as they > lose > > > their > > > > > > > beauty. > > > > > > > > > This was sort of a rambling email. Sort of stream of > > > consciousness... > > > > > > > > > liz > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of > > > > > > > ornamentalmind > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:29 PM > > > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance > > > > > > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for > > > other > > > > > > > pictures > > > > > > > > > What is obvious to me, perhaps because of my gender, is that > in > > > the > > > > > > > current US culture, the omnipresence of beauty industry > > > advertising > > > > > > > along with programs on corporate tv and radio have been fairly > > > > > > > successful in producing a trance like state within too many > > > women. > > > > > > > > > The 'avarousness' found at the heart of consumerism has been > quite > > > > > > > successful in supplanting a clear view of reality within the > > > female > > > > > > > brain with one of being born in the 'original sin' of having a > > > > > > > lack...lack of beauty, lack of the right shape, color, height, > > > length > > > > > > > nails, texture of skin etc. > > > > > > > > > My entire life, while I do know how my eye appreciates > specific > > > shapes > > > > > > > and colors, I find those with inner beauty to be in fact > beautiful > > > > > > > when it comes to human beings. Anyone who has this pure > radiance > > > is > > > > > > > immediately apprehended as being beautiful. > > > > > > > > > Those who do not know this innate and true beauty appear to be > sad > > > and > > > > > > > have a sad life. > > > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 8:39 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Google and image Tiziano Vicellio > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Liz Purkrabek > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with his works, but I will definitely do > a > > > Google > > > > > > > search > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > see what else he has to offer. > > > > > > > > > > > liz > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > Behalf > > > Of > > > > > > > > > ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:36 PM > > > > > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking > for > > > > other > > > > > > > > > pictures > > > > > > > > > > > Liz, I've long been a big fan of Sandro Botticelli!!! > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 15, 11:32 am, "Liz Purkrabek" < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > See, ladies could be born beautiful back then. Now it > > > takes > > > so > > > > > > much > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > and/or surgery... > > > > > > > > > > > > LIz > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > Behalf > > > > Of > > > > > > BC > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:30 PM > > > > > > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while > looking > > > for > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > pictures > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 15, 8:33 am, "Liz Purkrabek" < > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > [The+Wave.jpg] > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a nice pic; but she could stand to lose about a > > > 20-spot. > > > > > > > > > > -BC-- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -<br > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. 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