I know at least one woman whose husband does not want her primping because
he wants her to be less attractive in public thus fending off potential
mates:) But then, he is a nasty piece of work...

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Liz Purkrabek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>  I think the primping and preparation women do (makeup and nail painting
> and such) is largely for the benefit of other women.  Most of the men I've
> dated have preferred no makeup or not cared whether I wore it or not.  Same
> with fingernail polish.  I've never had a guy comment on my fingernails.
>
>
>
> I think the preening and preparation for heightened attractiveness elevates
> the status of the woman, and that may have some bearing on her
> attitude/confidence.
>
>
>
> That's a serious oversimplification obviously.
>
>
>
> liz
>
>
>
> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *CrossBow
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:39 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
>
> *Subject:* Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for other
> pictures
>
>
>
> No, not sexist. All this primping may be just biology at work.  In my girly
> opinion, women feel an inborn need to be attractive to attract mates and
> stay that way untill unable to reproduce - menopause. We are not out of the
> cave yet.
>
>
>
> Are primates the only species that the female is more floofy? It seems the
> other way around in birds and some others.  Think Peacock..now that is a
> dandy bird! Butterflies have it right..they are both lovely.
>
>
>
> Has this american society went crazy with it...answer that by looking at
> Cher and Dolly Parton.
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:27 PM, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>
> When it comes to the youth/beauty issue, I don't feel so controlled by
> that. Again, perhaps it is more of the induced female psyche in this
> society? And, of course, the main energy of the female seems to be
> being attractive and the male active. Yes, I know how this may appear
> and in no way do I mean this as a sexist comment.
>
>
> On Nov 19, 7:42 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I feel kids are percieved to be useless time wasters by many and many
> think
> > thier value to society is on hold until they grow old enough to graduate
> and
> > enter the work force.  That is deeply disturbing but I feel truth in it.
> > Ignored seems to be ignored even if it is for different reasons. I think
> > children have the best of it because they have youth and beauty on thier
> > side, in thier future, which cannot be recaptured as you age..perhaps
> that
> > has truth too.
> >
>
> > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:13 AM, Liz Purkrabek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
>
>  >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > It's not the same thing at all.  Being ignored because you belong to a
> big
> > > family or disinterested parents is not the same issue as being ignored
> > > incrementally  based on physical attractiveness or perceived value to
> > > society as a whole.
> >
> > > liz
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [email protected]
> > >  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Jason
> > > (Memphis)
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:57 PM
> > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for other
> > > pictures
> >
> > > Aren't kids in the "invisibility syndrome" category too?   I know
> > > quite a few kids that are essentially ignored especially with big
> > > families.  It is starting to be less of an issue because many couples
> > > (or singles) aren't having as many children so their one or two
> > > children get lots and lots of attention.
> >
> > > On Nov 18, 9:09 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > I like old chicks.
> >
> > > > J.
> >
> > > > "I  do agree with Liz about the "invisibility syndrome". But, isn't
> it
> > > > cultural  to the western world?" – CB
> >
> > > > One can generalize about any thought. I  find that age alone can
> > > > produce a type of 'invisibility' for some people.  When I was a kid,
> I
> > > > seldom knew how to relate to the old folks let alone  found them easy
> > > > to get to know. Ignoring them was the easiest defense  mechanism. . .
> > > > as ignorant as avoidance can be in the long  run.
> >
> > > > On Nov 18, 7:17 am, CrossBow  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> One
> theory
> > > is that women go  through menopause in order to dump the hormones
> > > > > and switch the ability  to produce for focus on caretaking of
> > > grandchildren.
> > > > > Sounds like  evolution wants us to be social servants and makes use
> of
> > > us to
> > > > >  further survival that way...
> >
> > > > > I do agree with Liz about the  "invisibility syndrome".  But, isn't
> it
> > > > > cultural to the western  world?
> >
> > > > > I have mixed feelings about losing what beauty I have  had.
>  Sometimes
> > > it is
> > > > > a relief not to maintain it.  Nice to  be needed for something
> > > approaching
> > > > > wisdom instead of my  bosom:)
> >
> > > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:41 PM, ornamentalmind
> >
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >
> > > > >  > "Because of the loss of status I feel as I age..." - Liz
> >
> > > > >  > Thanks for the stream Liz! And, this quote of yours is what I
> see
> > >  as
> > > > > > the 'crime' of our culture. Historically, age has represented
> > >  wisdom,
> > > > > > the opposite of a loss of status. And, as I see it, door
>  opening, as
> > > > > > much as I was programmed to do it and still do on  occasion, has
> not
> > > > > > been continued as a 'social grace' in many  pockets of our
> culture
> > > and/
> > > > > > or has become a curiosity due to the  notion of being politically
> > > > > > correct.
> >
> > > > > > On Nov  17, 1:28 pm, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > >  > > Although I agree that beauty can be more than skin deep, I've
> > >  always
> > > > > > thought
> > > > > > > men were likely to respond first  to positive visual
> stimulation.
> > >  If,
> > > > > > after
> > > > > > >  the attention was caught, then other factors like personality
> or
> > > > > >  > intelligence entered into the picture.  I've thought about
> just
> > >  this
> > > > > > subject
> > > > > > > more and more as I get older and  realize that with every year
> that
> > > > > > passes,
> > > > > > > fewer  and fewer men stop to open doors for me.  Where once
> even
> > > the
> > > > >  > > teenagers did so, now just the men about my age and older do.
>  I
> > > > imagine
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > > some point that the few men  who respond to me in such a
> fashion
> > > will be
> > > > > > > doing so out of  pity when I am old and unable to open the door
> > > myself.
> >
> > > > > >  >   Because of the loss of status I feel as I age (and also for
> > >  other
> > > > > > > reasons), I am educating myself and developing myself  in ways
> that
> > > have
> > > > > > > little to nothing to do with the way I  look.  I don't want to
> be
> > > caught
> > > > > > > unprepared when at  last the body completely gives and the face
> > > sags.
> >
> > > > > > > I  am already starting to see wrinkles that don't go away when
> I
> > > stop
> > > > >  > > smiling, and I never feared wrinkles until I started seeing
> them.
> > >  I
> > > > > > think
> > > > > > > that to become unattractive is  much more problematic or even
> > > > devastating
> > > > > > > because it seems  as though women  become invisible as they
> lose
> > > their
> > > > > > >  beauty.
> >
> > > > > > > This was sort of a rambling email.  Sort of stream of
> > > consciousness...
> >
> > > > > > >  liz
> >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >  From: [email protected]
> >
> > > > > > >  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of
> > > > > >  > ornamentalmind
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:29  PM
> > > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > > > > >  Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for
> > > other
> > > > >  > > pictures
> >
> > > > > > > What is obvious to me, perhaps  because of my gender, is that
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > > current US culture, the  omnipresence of beauty industry
> > > advertising
> > > > > > > along with  programs on corporate tv and radio have been fairly
> > > > > > >  successful in producing a trance like state within too many
> > >  women.
> >
> > > > > > > The 'avarousness' found at the heart of  consumerism has been
> quite
> > > > > > > successful in supplanting a clear  view of reality within the
> > > female
> > > > > > > brain with one of being  born in the 'original sin' of having a
> > > > > > > lack...lack of  beauty, lack of the right shape, color, height,
> > > length
> > > > > > >  nails, texture of skin etc.
> >
> > > > > > > My entire life, while I  do know how my eye appreciates
> specific
> > > shapes
> > > > > > > and colors, I  find those with inner beauty to be in fact
> beautiful
> > > > > > > when it  comes to human beings. Anyone who has this pure
> radiance
> > > is
> > > > > > >  immediately apprehended as being beautiful.
> >
> > > > > > > Those  who do not know this innate and true beauty appear to be
> sad
> > > and
> > > > > >  > have a sad life.
> >
> > > > > > > On Nov 17, 8:39 am, CrossBow  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Google and image  Tiziano Vicellio
> >
> > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 9:49  PM, Liz Purkrabek
> > > > > > >  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > I'm  not familiar with his works, but I will definitely do
> a
> > > Google
> > > > > >  > search
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > see  what else he has to offer.
> >
> > > > > > > > >  liz
> >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > >  > > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > >  > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > >  Behalf
> > > Of
> > > > > > > > >  ornamentalmind
> > > > > > >  > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:36 PM
> > > > > > > > >  To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: I  like this picture. I found it while looking
> for
> > > > other
> > > > > > > >  > pictures
> >
> > > > > > > > > Liz, I've long been a big  fan of Sandro Botticelli!!!
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 15,  11:32 am, "Liz Purkrabek" <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >  > > > > See, ladies could be born beautiful back then.  Now  it
> > > takes
> > > so
> > > > > > much
> > > > > > > work
> > > > > > > >  > > and/or surgery...
> >
> > > > > > > > > >  LIz
> >
> > > > > > > > > > -----Original  Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > From:  [email protected]
> >
> > > > > > > >  > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > > Behalf
> > > > Of
> > > > > > BC
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November  15, 2008 1:30 PM
> > > > > > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought  Alliance
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I  found it while
> looking
> > > for
> > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > >  pictures
> >
> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 15, 8:33 am, "Liz  Purkrabek" <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >  > > > > > [The+Wave.jpg]
> >
> > > > > > > > >  > That is a nice pic; but she could stand to lose about a
> > > 20-spot.
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